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Re: Htmx is part of the GitHub Accelerator

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Post by mikece »

jaipilot747 wrote: post #19
mikece wrote: post #10

Am I the only one who looks at HTMx and thinks "this is like CICS all over again"?

This CICS? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CICS Could you elaborate?

Yeah that one: full screen sent down from the mainframe on the beginning of a page-interaction, then only the parts of the screen that need to be changed are sent over the wire based on commands and input. With CICS it was all about reducing the number of bits moving over the wire to an absolute minimum which isn't the case here but partial screen replacement without refreshing or reloading the entire page is very reminiscent of the design.

Re: Htmx is part of the GitHub Accelerator

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Post by kitanata »

neon_electro wrote: post #72
kitanata wrote: post #55

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I contacted them. They outright refused to delete any comments, all comments or my entire account. Hacker News by matter of policy WILL NOT delete your comments, even when requested in writing.

Re: Htmx is part of the GitHub Accelerator

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Post by qbasic_forever »

Congrats. I will be very curious to see how this (and other companies that are built around an open source frontend/web library) work on monetizing themselves. Are there any successful businesses in that space?

I worry it will be truly challenging without a big compromise to morals/openness/etc. I kind of wonder if stuff like htmx should just be funded with a big grant so it never needs to worry about selling out users for profits and operating income. Or at the very least that it learns to run extremely lean, to not chase expensive fads, and to build itself into something that can survive off a modest "please donate/buy some stickers/tshirts or my book" income stream. I hope we don't see the day that suddenly there's no download link on their site and it's replaced with a, "please contact our sales team for a demo!".

Re: Htmx is part of the GitHub Accelerator

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Post by atoav »

DrDroop wrote: post #75

I've a hard time taking htmx serious for building a modern web app/site. It makes is impossible to build features that users have come to expect: * Faceted search with configurable filters, like filter date on before, between or after, but only show the filter if the user wants it. * Configure result view with different columns or even different views like maps or drawing something on a canvas like charts. You can ma…

On the topic of filtering, this is literally something I tend to do only client side anymore, unless it is something where the size of the payload matters. Even smartphones don't have any issue with search through tables with a thousand lines.

So for such things I would give the user a very broad set of data via htmx and then allow for further (realtime) filtering via JS.

If I want them to be able to search through data that isn't displayed initially I just deliver it with a hidden css class and remove that class if it is searched for.

Htmx, like any technology, is very well suited for a certain set of problems — iif you don't try to make it do tricks it is not good at, you should be fine.

Re: Htmx is part of the GitHub Accelerator

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Post by 0ct4via »

kragen wrote: post #65
okeuro49 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Off topic, but: > The right to erasure is also known as ‘the right to be forgotten’. https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/uk-gdpr-guidance-and-re...

no such right exists; that would be like the right to rob with impunity of course clever demagogues and rhetoricians can write such things into legislation, just as they can write legislation that claims you have no right to speak freely, but that just makes the legislation incorrect, like the famous legislation declaring pi to be exactly 3

"no such right exists" - the law would disagree with you on that one.

"Under Article 17 of the UK GDPR individuals have the right to have personal data erased. This is also known as the 'right to be forgotten'." [1]

"The right to be forgotten appears in Recitals 65 and 66 and in Article 17 of the GDPR. It states, “The data subject shall have the right to obtain from the controller the erasure of personal data concerning him or her without undue delay and the controller shall have the obligation to erase personal data without undue delay”" [2]

[1] https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/uk-gdpr-guidance-and-re...

[2] https://gdpr.eu/right-to-be-forgotten/

https://support.google.com/legal/answer/10769224

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_be_forgotten

This obviously varies depending on jurisdictions, but a great number of users (EU citizens, and people resident in the EU - but additionally, the UK) absolutely have a "right to be forgotten," and brazenly claiming "no such right exists" is ignorant and fallacious, and such unfounded arrogance is a distinctly USian trait. For someone who purportedly lives outside the US, you don't seem to grasp that there are laws in other countries than the US.

Re: Htmx is part of the GitHub Accelerator

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Post by treis »

nprateem wrote: post #5

This page made me realise I'm better off with just vanilla JS or jQuery: https://htmx.org/examples/update-other-content/ Solution 3 gave me a good laugh though.

This page illustrates why I just don't get HTMX. It seems like a ton of effort to save not a lot of server cycles and html over the wire.

I've done tabbed UIs that worked like HTMX. But instead of trying to do div surgery it replaced the entire tab. It was like 20 lines of JS and a few lines in Rails to render without a layout based on a URL query param.

When we're talking dozens of KBs of HTML for a tab it's not the extra complexity to try and slim that down.

Re: Htmx is part of the GitHub Accelerator

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Post by silver-arrow »

Great news.

I have had good success and a rewarding experience using htmx the past year. It has been so great in tandem with Clojure using hiccup for SSR.

Once htmx clicks for you, you are almost left stunned by how simple and flexible it is. You can't believe that this isn't how HTML evolved to as a hypermedia. It becomes very obvious that this is how web development should have evolved. I hope someday that what htmx is doing through javascript becomes baked right into HTML and the browser clients.

If you are mistakenly believing it is just some derivative of Angular or you are not grasping the significance of its advancement of the architecture of hypermedia, please do yourself a favor and read the excellent essays on their site; you will then truly understand what REST is and what the importance of real HATEOAS means: https://htmx.org/essays/

They also have a free book here: https://hypermedia.systems/

We made a costly wrong turn 10 -15 years ago by attempting to rebuild thick clients on the web with a JSON API architecture instead of expanding and enriching the new and powerful idea of the early web: hypermedia.

Re: Htmx is part of the GitHub Accelerator

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Post by matwood »

PaulHoule wrote: post #20
3cats-in-a-coat wrote: post #9

It's so odd to live long enough and see the steady pipeline of "look at this much simpler way of doing web apps, just write HTML, not like the previous complex way" projects, which then turn into the previous complex way as the eyes turn towards the next "simple way of doing web apps, just write HTML...". Angular and React started this way on the frontend, while ASP and PHP started this way on the backend (of course…

ASP had some strange things where you could write what looked like a client side handler on a button and it would call a function in the server. Circa 2007 or so it seemed a to be a huge mistake because it didn’t play well with the so-called “model-view-controller” paradigm where, most importantly, the request handler could decide which view to render. (e.g. you fill out a form and if you mad a mistake it redraws the…

I wrote ASP then, and it worked fine. We also wrote our own htmx like handlers. The main reason that people forget is that js was just too slow on the client to really do anything. The only way to get performance was render pieces on the server and replace the client html.

I remember having the server render js multi-dimensional arrays consisting of key and html snippet that client js could reference to do html manipulation more quickly.

Good times.

Re: Htmx is part of the GitHub Accelerator

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Post by zkldi »

jddj wrote: post #47
PedroBatista wrote: post #28

I've been a HTMX fan "since before was cool".. Very happy for the recent attention and "success". Also enjoying the shitposting and backlash mostly from the front-end crowd who believe the Web was invented in 2013 and they "made that city". :) I'm biased since the time Backbone.js came around, I understood part of the pain but was moderately skeptical, fast forward to React with the young energetic bros building dead…

I hear you're buying a synthesizer and an arpeggiator and are throwing your computer out the window because you want to make something real. I hear that you and your band have sold your guitars and bought turntables. I hear you rewrote your http endpoints to return JSON because that was REST. I hear that you and your band have sold your turntables and bought guitars. I hear you rewrote your http endpoints to return t…

BUT HAVE YOU SEEN MY TECH STACK?
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