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Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by lopatin »

nickstinemates wrote: post #40
tomalaci wrote: post #38

I haven't followed diffusion image generation development for a while. Where do you find information on what models you can use in the model_ckpt field? Do I need to import them from somewhere? What are the main differences between them and which are more modern or better?

You can find them on huggingface, or you can reverse engineer which ckpt you want to use based on an image you've seen generated (like at majin[1] - beware, there's a lot of NSFW/controversial stuff here.) 1: https://majinai.art/

Controversial is one way to put it

Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by HeyImAlex »

gochi wrote: post #60
kleiba wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who exactly is being abused here? I for one would much rather give pedophiles an opportunity to fulfil their sexual desires through AI-generated pictures than real ones. Of course, we can talk about the training material. Are there actual child porn images in there? I seriously doubt it but who knows? And perhaps a case could be made that AI-generated child porn could be a gateway to invite people who then seek out n…

They aren't separate discussions, they're directly tied to determining abuse material. Revenge porn is an example of abusive material, despite the subject not being abused in the material usually, they're considered abusive material due to the intent to cause abuse through distribution. So if either case applies, whether it's training based on certain images, or it becomes a gateway, these are discussions to be had d…

This discussion isn't new[1], and I'm not sure re-hashing it here will be useful unless you think AI generated child porn is significantly different from any other form of fictional child porn. Photoshop has existed for thirty years, pen and paper for even longer.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_fictional_porn...

Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by Zuiii »

nickstinemates wrote: post #40
tomalaci wrote: post #38

I haven't followed diffusion image generation development for a while. Where do you find information on what models you can use in the model_ckpt field? Do I need to import them from somewhere? What are the main differences between them and which are more modern or better?

You can find them on huggingface, or you can reverse engineer which ckpt you want to use based on an image you've seen generated (like at majin[1] - beware, there's a lot of NSFW/controversial stuff here.) 1: https://majinai.art/

> https://majinai.art/

Thank you so much for sharing this. Civitai keeps bugging me to create an account. This doesn't seem to suffer from the same flaw.

Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

nomel wrote: post #78
samstave wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. There needs to be a REALLY FUCKING STRONG effort to kill all CP AI anything. Full stop. AI should automagically report any attempt at CP.

I've always assumed this is what will be used to justify the regulation of AI.

The four horsemen of internet censorship.

Money laundering, CSAM, terrorism, drugs.

Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by etra0 »

_sys49152 wrote: post #83

its gonna be breathtaking when this technology gets close enough to make legit cartoons and animations. layers is a step closer to getting there.

Corridor Crew did a some sort of anime using this technique [1] and then they did two videos [2, 3] explaining the technology behind. Quite interesting if you ask me!

There still are some issues with the eyes and a bit of flickering but at the speed everything is moving I wouldn't be surprised if this improves in a year or two.

Needless to say, there's still a lot of artistry involved in such a process so anything is yet to be completely automated.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWZOEFvczzA

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ6z90MuURM

[3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUFlOynaUyk

Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by Zuiii »

lopatin wrote: post #91
nickstinemates wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can find them on huggingface, or you can reverse engineer which ckpt you want to use based on an image you've seen generated (like at majin[1] - beware, there's a lot of NSFW/controversial stuff here.) 1: https://majinai.art/

Controversial is one way to put it

It always amuses me when people who think they're the center of the world discover that there are other people with moral takes different than theirs.

If no real children were harmed to produce this stuff than it should be treated like any other extreme works of fiction (e.g. violence in video games, graphical descriptions in certain books).

Being disgusted is not grounds for banning something lol.

Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by Zuiii »

kitanata wrote: post #90
renewiltord wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get that you're spamming out of outrage, but they allowed me to disentangle my comments from my username, which is the same unless you mentioned something you don't want to mention.

I do not want to disentangle my name from my comments. I want to delete my comments. They are MY comments. I have a right to have them deleted.

If you're in the EU or are willing to stay in the EU for an extended time (>6 months?), then you may be able to compel them to delete the comments using EU laws. If they refuse, escalate and let the entirety of the EU take care of the rest.

I get why hn is against deleting comments, and sure, make it really hard to delete comments if necessary, but you should honor the request of users who's unpaid contributions make your site what it is.

Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by fassssst »

tavavex wrote: post #18

Very exciting. The "first-generation" Stable Diffusion frontends seem to have settled on a specific design philosophy, so it's interesting to see new tools (like this or ComfyUI) shake up the way people work with this tool. I hope that in a few years, we'll know which philosophy works best.

Photoshop Beta does it best. The generative features are just new tools that work as you’d expect with all the existing tools. For example, if you want to do outpainting, just make your canvas bigger and you get a contextual menu where you can (optionally) type a prompt. Inpainting, just make a selection however you want and type a prompt.

Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by Zuiii »

__loam wrote: post #65
dang wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe so, but please don't post unsubstantive comments to Hacker News.

[flagged]

It's comments like this that really highlight the extent of damage copyright has caused. It has conditioned people to think that they can own information once released, and that they can treat it like property. It's a notion that's ridiculous and silly that it gets threatened each time we make a leap in technology (tapes, computers, internet and streaming, and now generative AI).

I wonder how long society will tolerate the nonsensical idea of copyright before it's had enough.

Intellectual property is nonsense and I'm glad it keeps getting exposed.

Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by kleiba »

gochi wrote: post #70
GaggiX wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reading the parent post I think he would believe that revenge porn is abusive material, because there is a person who is getting abused with the distribution of the content, the person didn't consent the distribution. CP is abusive because a child was abused in the creation of the content. The doubt that the author of the parent post has is (from what I understand): who is getting abused with the creation and distrib…

They've brought up 3 ways in which it can be abusive (trained on abusive materials, created for the intent to abuse, or continuing self abuse rather than seeking help), but argued those should be separate discussions vs my thinking which is that these are linked to determining if such material is abusive.

First of all, thanks very much for these comments - all too often, threads quickly deteriorate into flame wars or emotional finger pointing, and I'm quite happy that this exchange of (opposing) opinions has remained very civil on such a hot topic.

I just wanted to clarify that I did not mean that these topics are all unrelated. When I wrote that these are separate discussions to be had, I was rather trying to imply that these questions are important enough to deserve an own treatment. However, I do agree with you that in the end, they all contribute to the question whether or not artificially generated child porn is abusive or not.

I do appreciate another sibling comment that points out the relation to other fictional child porn, such as literary works.

Additionally, I would like to add another dimension to the topic, namely that IMO, there is often an unspoken underlying assumption that portraits consumers of child porn as (potential) predators. However, unlike a juvenile delinquent who might find it cool to break into a local corner shop at night to steal some cans of beer, pedophiles are usually not attracted to child porn as a matter of choice. Like many sexual preferences, it is often innate, and can also be a burden to them: imagine you know that what gets you on is morally wrong, even a crime, and for most of your life you are forced to suppress your real sexuality as a consequence.

I'm thinking that fictional child porn, even when it's not AI-based but perhaps created with photoshop or in form of stories, could potentially help pedophiles to find ways of somehow dealing with their sexuality without actually preying on innocent children.

However, all of these thoughts come from a very naive understanding of the subject matter. Neither am I a pedophile myself, nor do I know anyone who is, nor am I a psychologist or something who works in the field. So I am very interested in corrections or additional options - especially, as I pointed out before, if they are done in equally civil ways as they have been so far in this thread.

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