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Re: Auditory illusions with examples from Daft Punk

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Post by sowbug »

distantsounds wrote: post #50

This article is horribly written and executed for many reasons, but the primary one being that the vast majority of the music credited as Daft Punk is just sampled music from other artists. You can eloquently see this broken down here: https://youtu.be/lBSWw7RdZLk At least get the original works correct.

You seem to have a bone to pick with the idea that artists who sample can be colloquially credited as the songwriters of the songs they wrote. It's a surprising position to take; most people get by just fine saying that MC Hammer wrote You Can't Touch This, as one of many examples.

Please tell us more.

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Post by nyanpasu64 »

nerf0 wrote: post #65

I want to make this random off-topic comment: For years I've been collecting various audio clips, where "environmental" sound (voice, noise, etc.) transitions into music, or vise versa, in songs, movies and TV shows. I've searched the web and the closest term I can find is "diegetic switch", but not quite. Here's the (short) list: - https://youtu.be/9j9bVl3rfNk?t=29 In The Defenders, repeated piano note transitions i…

It's a video game, but Yoshi's Island's title screen (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkbxyPl83yI) has sound effects which fade out into a musical theme (which adds instruments after the noises stop). It fits cleverly into the SNES's 8 channels of audio which might not have been able to play ocean spray, birdsong, and multiple overlapping xylophone/melody lines at once.

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Post by tagyro »

AlbertCory wrote: post #2

Funny about them: I can hear the words either as "Mexican lucky" or "to get lucky" (the correct lyrics) depending on what I want to hear. Usually, once you know the right words, you can't hear anything else. https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-mexican-lucky-and-w...

The last comment on that page has another gem: https://youtu.be/BQ4c54rCJ_k

Re: Auditory illusions with examples from Daft Punk

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Post by otherme123 »

justsomehnguy wrote: post #60

Slightly offtopic: One of my favourite comments on Youtube I saw was on some RATATAT song (probably Wildcat?), AFAIR: "Those guitars are definitely trying to tell me something. I can't get a word but they do sing!" And if you enjoy Daft Punk but never heard of RATATAT then you def should try, first albums for a more raw and hard sound, later ones for more electronic sound.

For guitars saying things, Steve Vai has plenty of them, also laughing, crying, meowing...

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Post by mnw21cam »

nerf0 wrote: post #65

I want to make this random off-topic comment: For years I've been collecting various audio clips, where "environmental" sound (voice, noise, etc.) transitions into music, or vise versa, in songs, movies and TV shows. I've searched the web and the closest term I can find is "diegetic switch", but not quite. Here's the (short) list: - https://youtu.be/9j9bVl3rfNk?t=29 In The Defenders, repeated piano note transitions i…

Siren transitioning into the song: Rattlesnake - Bride https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cfc0vqf-_I

Waves on the shore transitioning into song: Luke the calf - Iona https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLx2bKdQIJA - though I'm not sure that one counts as the waves are all through to the end.

Re: Auditory illusions with examples from Daft Punk

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Post by teddyh »

joecool1029 wrote: post #83

Not sure if it counts as an illusion but one that comes to mind is Gorillaz - Clint Eastwood. There's a line "remember that it's all in your head" that was mixed in a way that phase cancellation will make it inaudible on mono playback. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V_xRb0x9aw&t=176s Now go and install: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/soundfixer/ and set output to mono and replay it.

> was mixed in a way that phase cancellation will make it inaudible on mono playback.

That’s just what happens to the surround channel in audio tracks produced using Dolby Stereo, when, as you say, they are naively mixed to mono. This happens all the time.

Re: Auditory illusions with examples from Daft Punk

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Post by laddershoe »

munificent wrote: post #89
stickfigure wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, growing up in the 80s and thoroughly indoctrinated with musical theatre by my parents... how have I never heard of the Brave Little Toaster until now? I'm not sure whether I should thank you or curse you. Let's see what my 6yo says. The article reminds me of Pepe's Burningman operas from the mid 90s... "Devil's Delight, The Fire Tonight" blended into "Devils Do Light The Fire Tonight""

The Brace Little Toaster is a great film, but you might want to preview it yourself before watching it with your kid. There are some scenes of peril and (machine) death that are surprisingly intense for a kids' film and your kid might not handle them well.

Oh man, you're bringing the flashbacks. My siblings watched that movie constantly when I was a kid, and some of those scenes traumatized me for years (I was a sensitive kid).

Re: Auditory illusions with examples from Daft Punk

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Post by vaastav »

Applejinx wrote: post #68
gizajob wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the Shepard tone effect running in the background of the actual notes, which produce a mild illusion that they're ascending when they're not, but nevertheless they're moving up and then down in pitches so it's not a brilliant example. I think the author is a little confused in this short essay about a few things. His "talking piano" effect is just standard vocoding, which has made me think this is all fairly new…

Yup. The Daft Punk 'Robot Rock' is a straight up vocoder (mind you, a cool effect!). I like your link, now that's a talking piano :)

Is it tho? It's only understandable to me if I also read the subtitles. Otherwise it just sounds as random noise.

Re: Auditory illusions with examples from Daft Punk

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Post by 0x008 »

distantsounds wrote: post #50

This article is horribly written and executed for many reasons, but the primary one being that the vast majority of the music credited as Daft Punk is just sampled music from other artists. You can eloquently see this broken down here: https://youtu.be/lBSWw7RdZLk At least get the original works correct.

<Wow i never knew their music was so complex. That video is amazing

Re: Auditory illusions with examples from Daft Punk

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Post by yencabulator »

x3n0ph3n3 wrote: post #77
ilyt wrote: post #42

This is a better demonstration of octave illusion, I had no clue wtf the article meant until I listened to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMMsK9rjBWo But I heard the lower tone in the middle of my head and higher tone bouncing from left to right. Not the "low on one side, high on the other side" article mentioned. Kinda interesting to think some people might hear completely different thing in same song...

Thanks for sharing this. Oddly enough, I don't hear the illusion at all and it seemed very clear to me that they were alternating sides.

Left-handed or more ambidextrous? The illusion doesn't work as well on us freaks.
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