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Re: How to enjoy SF

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There is way more to Mexican food than burritos and tacos. Unfortunately folks who are only exposed to Bay Area Mexican food would never be aware of that.

That's a bit hyperbolic. Plenty of Bay Area Mexican food, 5 mins from my home in fact, has aguachiles, ceviche, tortas, vampiros, pambazo, flautas, sopes, chorriadas, mole, etc.

A bit, perhaps. But it's something famously pointed out by Anthony Bourdain as well. Keep in mind the context in which you're replying: is rice an authentic ingredient in a burrito? Mexican food in the Bay Area is pretty good if you focus on tacos instead of burritos…

And there's two parts to this: first one is that there's not much diversity. Vampiros and flautas are, more or less, tacos. It's almost always the same proteins, same pinto beans, etc. Come to think of it, I can find cochinia pibil in the Mission… at a restaurant that specializes in Oaxacan food. They've got mole (one kind), which is amusing considering that Oaxaca is a state known for it's diverse variety of moles. Anyways, back to arguing about whether SF tacos and burritos are authentic.

The second part is that Mexican food (more than other Central/South American cuisines) is seen as peasant food. You get it from a truck or a taqueria. Occasionally from some place with table service. I can think of two sorta fancy Mexican restaurants (one, if not both, have since closed). Ceviche? Well, I can get that at the Mexican grocery store or the fancy sit down Peruvian cevicheria.

The Bay Area serves up a comically thin slice of Mexican food, even compared to other parts of California or the US.

Re: How to enjoy SF

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Food is the one thing I'll give SF and the bay area. I've never lived in NYC, but I can imagine it's the only place in the US that comes close. Things are just at another level there than anywhere else I've seen.

I have lived in both, SF food is amateur hour and its expensive in comparison to NYC. $4.50 for a slice of "pizza" that is really a panini open faced sandwich GTFOH.

How are you going to compare pizza in SF to NYC pizza? How many places in the world has better pizza than NYC at a lower price?

Re: How to enjoy SF

#93
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I have been on a mission to figure out why Mexican food falls off a cliff after going north of LA. Plenty of Mexicans, plenty of amazing produce and proteins, what happens after LA that says put rice in my burrito?? Exception: Best SF Mexican tacos is of course Taqueria Vallarta in the Mission.

Burritos are not really Mexican food in general — they’re the regional cuisine of a region that includes the American southwest and the extreme north of Mexico. You’re basically saying you like regional LA cuisine better than regional SF cuisine, not that one region is particularly more faithfully reproducing “Mexican food” than the other.

We love “Food Log”. Living in NY area now and I miss Food Log.

Re: How to enjoy SF

#94

Lived in the Bay Area for a few years. Do not miss the work culture, especially people around me graciously donating free extra work hours to companies worth billion/trillion dollars and expecting others to do the same.

That’s not a Bay Area issue but an American work culture issue.

I’m in a different city in California now, working for the same company I used to in the Bay Area. The office is empty at 6 pm here. In the Bay Area most people stayed till at least 7 pm, some till 9 pm regularly.

While I agree that this tendency to overwork and expecting others to do the same is a part of the American work culture, in the Bay Area it seems to be cranked up to 11.

Re: How to enjoy SF

#95

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That's a bit hyperbolic. Plenty of Bay Area Mexican food, 5 mins from my home in fact, has aguachiles, ceviche, tortas, vampiros, pambazo, flautas, sopes, chorriadas, mole, etc.

A bit, perhaps. But it's something famously pointed out by Anthony Bourdain as well. Keep in mind the context in which you're replying: is rice an authentic ingredient in a burrito? Mexican food in the Bay Area is pretty good if you focus on tacos instead of burritos… And there's two parts to this: first one is that there's not much diversity. Vampiros and flautas are, more or less, tacos. It's almost always the same…

There are four "fancy" Mexican restaurants just in downtown Mountain View, like 1% of the people and/or land in the Bay Area. It's a big place, with relatively strong Mexican food options. Probably top 5 metro in the world for it outside of Central America.

Re: How to enjoy SF

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Burritos are not really Mexican food in general — they’re the regional cuisine of a region that includes the American southwest and the extreme north of Mexico. You’re basically saying you like regional LA cuisine better than regional SF cuisine, not that one region is particularly more faithfully reproducing “Mexican food” than the other.

Someone pointed out to me the other day that the Bay Area was part of Mexico from 1821 until 1848 (it was under Spanish control prior to that) - so one way to think about Bay Area Mexican food (and Californian Mexican food in general) is that it is it's own regional variety, and has been for a couple of hundred years at least.

Btw, 1821 is when New Spain (now called Mexico) became independent. So all of Mexico was under Spanish control before that, not just California. You probably already know this, but your post sort of makes it sound like California was transferred from one country to another in that year.

Re: How to enjoy SF

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I loved the Bay Area when we lived there for the outdoors, the food, and the varied terrain, like this article outlines. But I hated the Bay Area for the people. Not that anyone was particularly nasty or mean, they were just flaky . The number of cancelled plans, far, far outnumbered the kept ones. I'm open to the idea it was just me, but I know we weren't the only people experiencing this – and I have a much easier…

I don’t think it’s just people in the Bay Area that are flaky, but rather Californians in general. I don’t really know what causes it, but I’m guilty of it myself, since I’ve lived here my entire life. Living in a place like SF where there’s a lot of options just exacerbates it.

Agreed. It's actually much worse in LA than SF (I've lived 20+ years in each).

Re: How to enjoy SF

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I don’t think it’s just people in the Bay Area that are flaky, but rather Californians in general. I don’t really know what causes it, but I’m guilty of it myself, since I’ve lived here my entire life. Living in a place like SF where there’s a lot of options just exacerbates it.

I wonder if our lack of good public transit has anything to do with this. If I had a super easy way to get down to San Jose from the East Bay, I would be hanging out with my friends down there much more often.

I think you might be right about this; it's way easier to party – and indulge – when you can take a cheap cab or the subway from LES to UWS.

Re: How to enjoy SF

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I loved the Bay Area when we lived there for the outdoors, the food, and the varied terrain, like this article outlines. But I hated the Bay Area for the people. Not that anyone was particularly nasty or mean, they were just flaky . The number of cancelled plans, far, far outnumbered the kept ones. I'm open to the idea it was just me, but I know we weren't the only people experiencing this – and I have a much easier…

I've seen other people say that people in NYC are notoriously flaky.

I have no quantitative data either way, but anecdotally people are late but will usually just tell you if they can/can't make it, as opposed to the 'yes means no' out west.

Re: How to enjoy SF

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I don’t get these comments. Is sf only downtown or the tenderloin? No.

I moved here recently and I must say that the sidewalks in the rest of the city are cleaner than in many other big cities ive been to around the world.

Not to start whatoutism but have you been to DC? even outside of downtown there is trash everywhere, SO many rats. I’d argue that the homeless situation there is in worse shape. NYC? New Orleans?

Glen park, twin peaks, Noe Valley, anything west of mission is pretty clean, I’m yet to encounter shit on the sidewalk on this side of the city.

Sure the tenderloin is pretty bad, but there is a whole rest of the city to walk out there that’s beautiful.

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