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Re: Mac Mouse Fix

#91

Post by vardump »

barryvan wrote: post #78
ah27182 wrote: post #62

Kinda unrelated, but has anyone had trouble with using usb wireless mice with the M1 macbooks? I able to use it on my other intel MacBook without issues…

I recently diagnosed a very weird problem on my M32 MacBook Pro 13" where the _HDMI_ cable I was using caused my Logitech mouse (with 2.4GHz dongle) to stutter and disconnect/reconnect. Nothing to do with the display, my adapter/dongle, other peripherals, or other running apps. Still don't know _why_ that HDMI caused those issues, because the display was fine, but... MacOS is just sometimes obtusely weird!

MacOS might occasionally be weird, but that definitely sounds like some kind of electrical issue, probably nothing to do with the OS.

Re: Mac Mouse Fix

#92

Post by varispeed »

It's so crazy that macOS can't get mouse to work properly. Like you have to install dedicated apps for a scroll wheel so they reverse direction of scrolling to match the trackpad and still you cannot get to control the scrolling properly. Then these apps tend to stop working randomly or reverse direction and you have to turn it off then randomly direction reverses again etc.

Mouse is the most frustrating experience on Macs. It's bizarre.

Re: Mac Mouse Fix

#93

Post by varispeed »

jzelinskie wrote: post #20

It looks like this competes with Mos.app[0]. Honestly, I'm not sure how folks use non-magic mice without this. If you use macOS on a desk setup, I still recommend the magic trackpad over everything else; macOS is just designed around trackpads. It might not be the best for ergonomics, but if that's your concern and you work as a programmer, you should just optimize your workflows around the keyboard instead of the mo…

> you should just optimize your workflows around the keyboard instead of the mouse.

That's quite patronising. Tools should grow around the user, not the other way around.

Trackpad is just wrong for text based applications. For instance, you can't precisely select large amounts of text and navigation, placing the cursor precisely is just a nightmare.

Re: Mac Mouse Fix

#94

Post by barryvan »

vardump wrote: post #91
barryvan wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently diagnosed a very weird problem on my M32 MacBook Pro 13" where the _HDMI_ cable I was using caused my Logitech mouse (with 2.4GHz dongle) to stutter and disconnect/reconnect. Nothing to do with the display, my adapter/dongle, other peripherals, or other running apps. Still don't know _why_ that HDMI caused those issues, because the display was fine, but... MacOS is just sometimes obtusely weird!

MacOS might occasionally be weird, but that definitely sounds like some kind of electrical issue, probably nothing to do with the OS.

Possibly... But I don't understand why that particular HDMI cable was causing issues with my USB devices -- with no visual artifacts or latency or other issues being evident on my screen.

But you're right -- I was possibly too quick to snark about MacOS when the real culprit is more likely the cheap random HDMI cable I used. :)

Re: Mac Mouse Fix

#95

Post by zuhsetaqi »

nopcode wrote: post #89

After testing & buying everything out there, I settled with LinearMouse [0]: - FOSS (a plus but don't mind paying) - Control of scrolling mode settings different for Horizontal vs Vertical - Can disable mouse acceleration (I think only CursorSense can also do this). - Universal back and forward buttons (replaces SensibleSideButtons) - Settings are different per input device, scrolling can be per app I cannot stand an…

Does this app work with two users logged in both using this app?

Re: Mac Mouse Fix

#96

Post by __jonas »

jzelinskie wrote: post #20

It looks like this competes with Mos.app[0]. Honestly, I'm not sure how folks use non-magic mice without this. If you use macOS on a desk setup, I still recommend the magic trackpad over everything else; macOS is just designed around trackpads. It might not be the best for ergonomics, but if that's your concern and you work as a programmer, you should just optimize your workflows around the keyboard instead of the mo…

> Honestly, I'm not sure how folks use non-magic mice without this.

I use a non-magic mouse, it seems fine to me.

I remember in the past there was this problem with scroll direction being the inverse of what I expected and I had to use some app to change it just for my mouse and not the trackpad, but with my current setup the mouse behaves as I would expect, not sure if it's due to this mouse's firmware or a change in MacOS or something, I am curious what advantages these apps offer since I seem to be the target audience?

I don't really see the point in these gestures to switch spaces etc., and scrolling / mouse movement seems fine to me, what am I missing?

Edit: I just realized, my mouse works as expected because I have it set to inverted in BetterTouchTool, which I originally installed for other reasons, so I suppose I do see the point in these Apps

Re: Mac Mouse Fix

#97

Post by hit8run »

justinclift wrote: post #84
bombcar wrote: post #6

I use SensibleSideButtons for all my mouse customization needs (which aren't much) https://sensible-side-buttons.archagon.net

Looks like it's Open Source too (GPL2): https://github.com/archagon/sensible-side-buttons Hasn't had a commit in 6 years though. :/

It doesn't need a commit. It just works.

Re: Mac Mouse Fix

#98

Post by aa-jv »

nopcode wrote: post #89

After testing & buying everything out there, I settled with LinearMouse [0]: - FOSS (a plus but don't mind paying) - Control of scrolling mode settings different for Horizontal vs Vertical - Can disable mouse acceleration (I think only CursorSense can also do this). - Universal back and forward buttons (replaces SensibleSideButtons) - Settings are different per input device, scrolling can be per app I cannot stand an…

Just FYI, re-training muscle memory is how you avoid RSI with keyboards/mice. Its important to switch up your input devices every few months and give the muscles in your hands a chance to de-calcify from the previous ergonomics.

Re: Mac Mouse Fix

#99

Post by happymellon »

ajanuary wrote: post #83
happymellon wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you should just optimize your workflows around the keyboard instead of the mouse. The one issue I have is that out of the box, MacOS does not let you use the keyboard for all of the actions required. It doesn't even expose some actions to be able to b̶o̶n̶d̶ bind keys to, and you have to use 3rd party tools just to navigate with your keyboard.

Keyboard navigation is available through the accessibility options. What extra things do the 3rd party tools provide?

Move a window to another workspace is the first that springs to mind.

Control+Left/Right will move workspaces but you can't move windows between them.

Re: Mac Mouse Fix

#100

Post by dividedbyzero »

aarmenaa wrote: post #39
apatheticonion wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used PCs for decades before transitioning to Mac based laptops for work which I continued to use for the last 6 years. Due to the M1 laptops being poorly suited to my workflows, I have now changed back and am on a Linux powered Dell Precision laptop and am overall happy with the decision - though I had to compromise on a few things. I dislike Apple and find a lot of their choices distasteful - but I just haven't be…

> OEMs like Dell could try using a MacBook and mimic the trackpad. You know what's crazy about the trackpad situation? You can put Windows or Linux on a real live Macbook and the trackpad gets worse . Everybody except Apple just insists on being wrong about trackpads.

I think the Windows philosophy for UX is just "good enough so enterprise don't ditch Windows", which given its enterprise monopoly and very strong lock-in and almost complete lack of viable alternatives means they can do almost whatever (and looking at Windows 11, seems they do make use of that freedom). They don't have strong incentives to make their OS fun, as long as it sort of does the job. And even if they did try to fix trackpads, at the price point lots of corporate drone Windows laptops sell at, could they possibly include decent trackpad hardware?

Linux is kind of puzzling though, this has been a super glaring issue for what is now decades. Are the people who could fix this just set up to never ever leave the home row? Is it actually too hard for an open source endeavour like Desktop Linux?

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