Massive kudos to the BBC, for the editorial discipline required here to avoid "[…] is having its moment in the sun"
Forced rhubarb, a vegetable deprived of sunlight, is having a renaissance (2019)
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Re: Forced rhubarb, a vegetable deprived of sunlight, is having a renaissance (2019)
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
> they believed the bad advice that is easy to find on the Internet I'm with you 100% on this. But vegans needing a dozen supplements for optimal health is a different claim than bad internet nutrition advice leading people astray from optimal health. If you personally feel like you need a dozen supplements even as an informed vegan, I would give you some resources or at least refer you to a dietitian. A controversia…
If there are no constraints, then it is easy to get sufficient protein on a vegan diet. On the other hand, with constraints, which in my case were that I was not willing to spend more money for a vegan-based diet than for a meat-based diet, and that I was not willing to spend more than one hour per day with cooking, cumulated for all the meals of a day, while also wanting to eat mostly, if not exclusively, food cooke…
I’m not vegan so it’s none of my business, but: Sure! if you’re not eating processed foods, and you don’t want to spend hours a day cooking, everyone needs supplements.
Don’t forget that our salt and our flour and our milk and — “raw ingredients” — are supplemented by default with micros the standard diet is deficient in.
If the standard diet was vegan, there’d be taurine in the lentils and we’d be saying a meat-and-dairy diet is impossible without “supplements”.
Re: Forced rhubarb, a vegetable deprived of sunlight, is having a renaissance (2019)
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd encourage you to go to cronometer.com and put in reasonable servings of the food items they listed (not several kilograms of just one food and washing your hands of the conversation) and seeing what nutrients you end up with. You may be surprised. Add some nut milks in there, too. > Any vegan must take up to a dozen supplements to maintain optimal health This is some bottom tier anti-vegan flame bait. Had I seen…
I happen to be a vegan myself, so it is weird to be accused of "anti-vegan flame bait". Precisely because I am a vegan and I am aware of the difficulties that I had to surpass when switching to a vegan diet and also of the health problems encountered by some relatives who followed a vegan diet, but without adequate supplementation, because they believed the bad advice that is easy to find on the Internet, I felt the…
> until I have found adequate methods to ensure the correct daily intake for all nutrients,
I use gut feeling, but am mindful of stimulants in the diet, so I mega dose with supplements to get a better idea of what something is doing.
I can highlight the pitfills in the so called double blind placebo gold standard of scientific study on lab animals.
Re: Forced rhubarb, a vegetable deprived of sunlight, is having a renaissance (2019)
#94Remember that rhubarb leaves are actually poisonous due to oxalic acid (I've seen quotes of 2-5 kg od leaves being a lethal dose). https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/article/does-rhub...
Oxalic acid is poisonous? Should I stop eating spinach then? Oh, looks like the article mentions this actually: > Chard and spinach, in fact, contain even more oxalic acid than rhubarb—respectively, 700 and 600 mg/100 g, as opposed to rhubarb’s restrained 500. Rhubarb’s killer reputation apparently dates to World War I, when rhubarb leaves were recommended on the home front as an alternative food. At least one death…
This is still confusing to me. Does it mean that despite the ubiquity of the warnings, I can actually cook and consume rhubarb leaves like spinach?
Re: Forced rhubarb, a vegetable deprived of sunlight, is having a renaissance (2019)
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
You would have to eat like 5 cups of legumes every day to get enough iron that way if you're a woman. That's almost two pounds. Nuts or greens would be an even higher amount.
They were talking about calcium. But let's plug some iron sources into cronometer: - 100g lentils: 3.3mg iron, 116cal - 100g spinach: 2.7mg iron, 23cal - 100g cooked tofu: 2.7mg iron, 110cal That's more than 50% of the day's iron recommendation for women in about 250 calories or about 1/8th of the day's calories for the average woman.
That might be the recommendation for a very small woman.
For men of average size, the recommended daily intake of iron varies between countries, but it can be as large as 14 mg, which would need at least 400 g of cooked lentils per day, according to your list, which corresponds to lentils cooked with an unknown amount of water, so it is difficult to compare it with lentils cooked in different ways, though it seems that these 100 g of cooked lentils correspond to about 40 g of raw lentils with about 60 g of water.
Re: Forced rhubarb, a vegetable deprived of sunlight, is having a renaissance (2019)
#96How do you like to eat rhubarb? I mostly know it from rhubarb pie
Stewed, with Greek yoghurt and honey.
Re: Forced rhubarb, a vegetable deprived of sunlight, is having a renaissance (2019)
#97Remember that rhubarb leaves are actually poisonous due to oxalic acid (I've seen quotes of 2-5 kg od leaves being a lethal dose). https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/article/does-rhub...
Oxalic acid is poisonous? Should I stop eating spinach then? Oh, looks like the article mentions this actually: > Chard and spinach, in fact, contain even more oxalic acid than rhubarb—respectively, 700 and 600 mg/100 g, as opposed to rhubarb’s restrained 500. Rhubarb’s killer reputation apparently dates to World War I, when rhubarb leaves were recommended on the home front as an alternative food. At least one death…
Don't downplay oxalic acid.
There are many things which have it, particularly in the wild edible category, and those who have dietary restrictions which limit them to mostly such foods have serious consequences from the presence of it.
I know first hand it can do serious harm.
Do not downplay it.
Re: Forced rhubarb, a vegetable deprived of sunlight, is having a renaissance (2019)
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
They were talking about calcium. But let's plug some iron sources into cronometer: - 100g lentils: 3.3mg iron, 116cal - 100g spinach: 2.7mg iron, 23cal - 100g cooked tofu: 2.7mg iron, 110cal That's more than 50% of the day's iron recommendation for women in about 250 calories or about 1/8th of the day's calories for the average woman.
Isn't iron in spinach insanely difficult for humans to actually absorb? Quick googling says it's around ~2% of total iron in spinach which we can absorb, so instead of eating 100g to get 2.7g you'd need to eat 5kg of spinach per day.
The topic every vegan refuses to discuss:
Biolavailability
Re: Forced rhubarb, a vegetable deprived of sunlight, is having a renaissance (2019)
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
> they believed the bad advice that is easy to find on the Internet I'm with you 100% on this. But vegans needing a dozen supplements for optimal health is a different claim than bad internet nutrition advice leading people astray from optimal health. If you personally feel like you need a dozen supplements even as an informed vegan, I would give you some resources or at least refer you to a dietitian. A controversia…
If there are no constraints, then it is easy to get sufficient protein on a vegan diet. On the other hand, with constraints, which in my case were that I was not willing to spend more money for a vegan-based diet than for a meat-based diet, and that I was not willing to spend more than one hour per day with cooking, cumulated for all the meals of a day, while also wanting to eat mostly, if not exclusively, food cooke…
Seems quite complicated. I think you set your protein goals too high if you need to be so careful about what you eat. In general, a diverse enough diet that gives you enough calories also gives you enough protein.
Re: Forced rhubarb, a vegetable deprived of sunlight, is having a renaissance (2019)
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
Being “carnivore” is a more foolproof choice. Following an 100% vegan diet in a healthy way requires more care in choosing some appropriate nutritional supplements and in planning what you eat than for any other kind of diet. I am vegan and I enjoy it, but I would not recommend this for everyone, because there is no doubt that it would be too tedious for most people, who prefer to eat in a more spontaneous way, witho…
I'm starting to have some major doubts about how much you've informed yourself on the topic here when you say "carnivore" is more foolproof than a much less restrictive diet like a plant-based diet. You can see this just by plugging 2000 calories of meat in Cronometer and viewing the nutrition holes. Even 2000 calories of bagels gives you a wider assortment of nutrients than 2000 calories of beef.
Animals are intermediaries which process low bioavailability foods and turn into a nutrient highly bioavailable source.
Bioavailability is something vegans practically refuse to acknowledge let alone discuss.