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Re: Apple’s strict on App Store rules but gives WeChat a free pass (2020)

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Post by selectodude »

deciplex wrote: post #87
woooooo wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Back in the 90s, we really were that arrogant. Policy makers believed history was over and we had won. We had just done it to Russia successfully (short-term). Why not China?

Bold to claim that anything that happened in Russia in the 90s could be called a "success." If that's what was in store for China then good on the CPC and President Xi for averting it. The "integration" of Russia into the global capitalist system was an utter disaster from both a humanitarian and a strategic perspective.

Russian GDP tripled from 1988 to 2008. They were doing all right until Putin went full dictator.

Re: Apple’s strict on App Store rules but gives WeChat a free pass (2020)

#92

Post by goodbyesf »

dvt wrote: post #47
goodbyesf wrote: post #44

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> Many people (both poor and rich) are leaving china, places with sharia law, and moving to the west. The countries with the highest per capita immigration are in the middle east, not in 'the west'. https://www.visualcapitalist.com/cp/mapped-immigration-by-co... Do you think they are moving to the middle east because of their love of sharia law? Or do you think they are moving they for economic opportunities? People…

Your point is straight-up bonkers and the data you yourself cite disproves it. Comparing the UAE (one country, an outlier at that, due to their subsidized incentives) to the collective immigration to Australia + USA + Western Europe + Japan + South Korea is beyond disingenuous. But hey, you do you. > much of the time because 'the west' invaded, destroyed or destabilized it You know who destabilized my country? The US…

> Your point is straight-up bonkers and the data you yourself cite disproves it.

Ad hominems isn't an argument.

> Comparing the UAE (one country, an outlier at that, due to their subsidized incentives) to the collective immigration to Australia + USA + Western Europe + Japan + South Korea is beyond disingenuous.

I wrote the middle east, not the UAE. Very curious. So you are being disingenuous here by misrepresenting my claim. The wealthy countries of the middle east - uae, saudi arabia, kuwait, qatar, etc have more immigration per capita than the US and any country in europe. Why are you including Japan and South Korea when both are highly averse to immigration and are not part of 'the west'?

> You know who destabilized my country? The USSR.

What country is that? It's a good thing the USSR is gone then. Maybe the same should happen to 'the west'? Are you saying it's okay for 'the west' to destabilize countries but not the USSR? I don't even know what your point is here.

> Boy am I glad to be an American and I wouldn't give up my citizenship for anything.

Why would you? Did I say you should?

> I'll gladly pay taxes even if end up living elsewhere.

What? Go ahead.

It's like you build up a strawman on top of a strawman and got confused along the way. All I'm saying is people immigrate to 'the west' for the same reason they immigrate to the middle east. For money and economic opportunities. Like you and everyone else did. Take australia. The biggest immigrant group in australia is the british. Do you think the british moved to australia for 'classical liberalism' and 'western values'?

Re: Apple’s strict on App Store rules but gives WeChat a free pass (2020)

#93

Post by dannyobrien »

deciplex wrote: post #90
dvt wrote: post #36

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> and trying to force every country around the world to adopt their 'values'. Hot take: Yes. Because classical liberalism, the free market, and bottom-up government has done more for the advancement of humankind than sharia law, tyrants, oligarchies, theocracies, or dictatorships have ever done. Let's stop pretending like all values have the same ethical valence.

Well, Marxism-Leninism did more good for the Soviet Republics in its first 40 years there (beating back an imperialist invasion, rapidly developing industry, beating the Nazis, putting the first man in space, raising the standard of living nearly to par with the West despite being a feudal backwater in 1917, etc) than capitalism has done for those countries since we finally beat them thirty years ago. And, public opi…

Beyond all the other contestable statements in your comment, I think you might have the biggest problem convincing the former Baltic Soviet Republics that they were doing better under the USSR versus now.

Re: Apple’s strict on App Store rules but gives WeChat a free pass (2020)

#94

Post by deciplex »

selectodude wrote: post #91
deciplex wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bold to claim that anything that happened in Russia in the 90s could be called a "success." If that's what was in store for China then good on the CPC and President Xi for averting it. The "integration" of Russia into the global capitalist system was an utter disaster from both a humanitarian and a strategic perspective.

Russian GDP tripled from 1988 to 2008. They were doing all right until Putin went full dictator.

I'm not sure the average Russian would agree that the precipitous drop in life expectancy in the 90s, the rampant child prostitution, etc., along with what our idea of "democracy" for them turned out to be - you want to talk about election interference let's start with Russia in 1996 - was worth selling off their natural resources so a few oligarchs could get rich.

Re: Apple’s strict on App Store rules but gives WeChat a free pass (2020)

#95

Post by squeaky-clean »

joshstrange wrote: post #83
squeaky-clean wrote: post #76

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I thought Apple disallowed apps from downloading things that were executable. A team I was on got rejected for this in 2015 or so. We were using Ionic to make a WebView based app for a news station. We wanted some of the css and js to be loaded from the internet so we could change various things without needing an official app update. We were told to we could fetch news story data from an api, and get back json/xml/e…

I know of multiple apps that have that ability and I've personally shipped 10+ cross-platform apps built on Quasar+Vue+Capacitor and Ionic+Angular+Cordova/Capacitor and a few have had the ability to remotely update the code (just the JS/HTML/CSS) and they have all been approved. I am interested in the exact way the rejection was worded. IIRC their dev agreement had an exception, at one point, to the "no downloading e…

It's been a while but I think it was because it was considered a remote update mechanism. We planned to keep it limited to small layout fixes and such but in theory we could have changed everything about the app (it had news available in like 15 languages and there was always some new issue related to right-to-left, or CJK font stuff or etc. We didn't want to make all users have a new update just because Cyrillic needed some layout change or something).

But yeah it also probably was partly due to reviewer roulette. I've experienced the same on other apps, things that have been in the app for a year can suddenly get it rejected without a corresponding rules change from Apple. Just different interpretations of our code by a new reviewer.

In this case we decided to just remove that feature and re-publish.

Re: Apple’s strict on App Store rules but gives WeChat a free pass (2020)

#96

Post by delfinom »

TillE wrote: post #56
game_the0ry wrote: post #25

When the west opened trade to China, policy experts assumed China would become more liberal like the west. Instead, the west is becoming more like China. [1, 2, 3] [1] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/07/googles-web-integrit... [2] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/07/ready-for-your-e... [3] (countless more examples, especially recently...)

> policy experts assumed China would become more liberal No one actually thinks that, it's just the line they use to justify themselves to the public. Like how Saudi Arabia has been promising amazing "reforms" for the better part of a decade.

Saudi Arabia did inch along a tiny bit with some reforms, it only took a younger dictator to coup his father.

Usually that's the biggest problem worldwide, the old hold on to old ways to their deaths and prevent any kind of change. And this is a newer phenomena in human history because modern medicine has extended lifespans far beyond the days of old.

Re: Apple’s strict on App Store rules but gives WeChat a free pass (2020)

#97

Post by deciplex »

dannyobrien wrote: post #93
deciplex wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, Marxism-Leninism did more good for the Soviet Republics in its first 40 years there (beating back an imperialist invasion, rapidly developing industry, beating the Nazis, putting the first man in space, raising the standard of living nearly to par with the West despite being a feudal backwater in 1917, etc) than capitalism has done for those countries since we finally beat them thirty years ago. And, public opi…

Beyond all the other contestable statements in your comment, I think you might have the biggest problem convincing the former Baltic Soviet Republics that they were doing better under the USSR versus now.

Yes, it's true - they're still very mad that their Nazi collaborators who helped murder tens of thousands of Jews during the war had to face actual justice instead of getting paperclipped off to the West.

Re: Apple’s strict on App Store rules but gives WeChat a free pass (2020)

#98

Post by esafak »

woooooo wrote: post #57
TillE wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> policy experts assumed China would become more liberal No one actually thinks that, it's just the line they use to justify themselves to the public. Like how Saudi Arabia has been promising amazing "reforms" for the better part of a decade.

Back in the 90s, we really were that arrogant. Policy makers believed history was over and we had won. We had just done it to Russia successfully (short-term). Why not China?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_of_History_and_the_Las...

Re: Apple’s strict on App Store rules but gives WeChat a free pass (2020)

#99

Post by joshstrange »

squeaky-clean wrote: post #95
joshstrange wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know of multiple apps that have that ability and I've personally shipped 10+ cross-platform apps built on Quasar+Vue+Capacitor and Ionic+Angular+Cordova/Capacitor and a few have had the ability to remotely update the code (just the JS/HTML/CSS) and they have all been approved. I am interested in the exact way the rejection was worded. IIRC their dev agreement had an exception, at one point, to the "no downloading e…

It's been a while but I think it was because it was considered a remote update mechanism. We planned to keep it limited to small layout fixes and such but in theory we could have changed everything about the app (it had news available in like 15 languages and there was always some new issue related to right-to-left, or CJK font stuff or etc. We didn't want to make all users have a new update just because Cyrillic nee…

> But yeah it also probably was partly due to reviewer roulette. I've experienced the same on other apps, things that have been in the app for a year can suddenly get it rejected without a corresponding rules change from Apple. Just different interpretations of our code by a new reviewer.

Been there. The best is when I have an app that has actually been released on multiple other accounts (white label app) and then a reviewer wants to say it's all wrong and reject it. I the worst thing that's happened to me is when they dinged me for a soft permission prompt (asking the user before throwing the one-time-only system dialog), I removed it since I needed to get the update out (it wasn't related to this at all of course), then they started nit-picking and not only were they wrong in a lot of the cases but they were making me do like 1-2 word changes to permission prompts to make them more specific. I had no clue how many new things they'd come up with for each submission, we went back and forth a few times before it finally got through, I just bumped the build number and resubmitted.

Re: Apple’s strict on App Store rules but gives WeChat a free pass (2020)

#100

Post by woooooo »

deciplex wrote: post #87
woooooo wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Back in the 90s, we really were that arrogant. Policy makers believed history was over and we had won. We had just done it to Russia successfully (short-term). Why not China?

Bold to claim that anything that happened in Russia in the 90s could be called a "success." If that's what was in store for China then good on the CPC and President Xi for averting it. The "integration" of Russia into the global capitalist system was an utter disaster from both a humanitarian and a strategic perspective.

My phrasing was "had done it to Russia successfully". That doesn't imply success for ordinary Russians.
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