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Microsoft Owns the Trademark for “X”

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Re: Microsoft Owns the Trademark for “X”

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Post by arcticbull »

CydeWeys wrote: post #89
arcticbull wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely, but. If Microsoft owns it in the context of social media, that changes everything. Sure there's a Delta Airlines and a Delta Faucets. If I wanted to start Delta Carpentry of Iowa that wouldn't be an issue. However, if I bought Alaska Airlines, woke up tomorrow and rebranded it Delta - you can be sure they'd fly their lawyers out to Anchorage out on a Gulfstream. [edit] Meta -> Microsoft, from tfa. My bad.

But is Meta actually using it? I haven't seen it. Good luck to them trying to defend the mark id they aren't actively using it (or even worse, never did).

The link, under Goods and Services says:

> Providing on-line chat rooms for transmission of messages among computer users concerning video and computer games; providing on-line electronic bulletin boards for transmission of messages among computer users concerning video and computer games

Under the prosecution history, it shows activity every few years.

Maybe you're right, maybe if this goes to trial or something, it won't meet the burden? I wouldn't want to be on the other end of Satya's legal team though.

Re: Microsoft Owns the Trademark for “X”

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Post by electricmonk »

CydeWeys wrote: post #71
electricmonk wrote: post #52

IANYL. Microsoft owns a trademark registration for X [standard character] for certain goods and services (see: https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=2693757&caseSearchType=US... ). Meta owns a trademark registration for X (Stylized), which Microsoft apparently assigned to Meta (see https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=87980831&caseType=SERIAL_... ). Musk as been using X in various capacities since the 90s, and depending o…

Meta and Microsoft may have registered those trademarks but I haven't seen them using them, so they might struggle to actually defend them in court against someone who is very clearly actually using "X". Honestly Apple probably has the best shot, as they do use "X" prominently. Mac OS X, iPhone X, etc.

IANYL.

Just because we haven't seen them doesn't mean there is a market (e.g., b2b) where they may be using them. Also, in this particular instance, since these are registered we can look at what they have provided the USPTO as evidence of use in order to renew the registrations. Microsoft (I think the X involved might actually be the X on the globe logo): https://tsdr.uspto.gov/documentviewer?caseId=sn76041368&docI.... For Microsoft's use before assigning to Meta: https://tsdr.uspto.gov/documentviewer?caseId=sn87980831&docI.... For that second one, looks like MS sold some assets to Meta after is shut down its Mixer service: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixer_(service)

Apple does use X a lot in product names, but (i) the use is never on its own, so the comparison of the marks is, e.g., X vs Mac OS X, and (ii) Apple generally uses X to denote "10" so that portion of the mark is arguably descriptive or generic as a version number (see https://tmep.uspto.gov/RDMS/TMEP/print?version=current&href=...).

Re: Microsoft Owns the Trademark for “X”

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Post by TX81Z »

AceJohnny2 wrote: post #53
TX81Z wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon had this planned out from the start, 50 steps ahead. Make an outrageously high bid on a site with no consistent profit, try desperately to get out of the deal, and fail (as a misdirection of course), alienate power users, kill 50% of revenue, totally nuke site reliability, lose all the top talent, and of course, rack up a pile of lawsuits a mile deep. And only THEN, blow everybody’s mind by jettisoning a brand s…

Because I need to vent... I dreamt this morning that I was berating ElMo for being off his meds and making billion-dollar decisions while in manic phase. For months. I'm actually pretty annoyed that I would even dream about it. I detest the expression, but this is a perfect example of "living rent-free in someone's head". I need to get off the internet.

To paraphrase hitchhikers guide, it may be the clear minded take is Elon needs to get off the internet and you’re fine.

Re: Microsoft Owns the Trademark for “X”

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Post by valianteffort »

brewdad wrote: post #12
colechristensen wrote: post #7

For computer gaming things yes. You could, for example register your own trademark on X for selling unusual bananas without violating Microsoft’s mark >Providing on-line chat rooms for transmission of messages among computer users concerning video and computer games; providing on-line electronic bulletin boards for transmission of messages among computer users concerning video and computer games > Entertainment servi…

This MS trademark could certainly put a damper on X becoming the "everything" app for the internet even if it doesn't appear to be an issue for The Site Formerly Known as Twitter currently.

No it won't, because you can't trademark usage of a letter generally.

Re: Microsoft Owns the Trademark for “X”

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Post by evandale »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #87
AceJohnny2 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because I need to vent... I dreamt this morning that I was berating ElMo for being off his meds and making billion-dollar decisions while in manic phase. For months. I'm actually pretty annoyed that I would even dream about it. I detest the expression, but this is a perfect example of "living rent-free in someone's head". I need to get off the internet.

It's fascinating how people can't just ignore Elon, especially the people that don't even use/like Twitter. Life is a lot easier if you just think "I don't care about" this and scroll past. Yet here we are, as I understanding the trademark to X will somehow matter in our personal lives or make us happy

There is something about successful men who get away with giving the finger to the woke crowd that _really_ tick people off.

Re: Microsoft Owns the Trademark for “X”

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Post by [deleted] »

TX81Z wrote: post #57
TechBro8615 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is Twitter usage (measured in daily active user hours per day) lower now than it was before the acquisition?

Sorry forgot that aspect of the master plan: increase “engagement”, raise server costs, and cut revenue in half at the exact same time to prove once and for all that traffic as a universal measure of site value is an entirely corrupt idea that should be abandoned to focus on actual revenue. 50 steps ahead. Man is a genius.

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Re: Microsoft Owns the Trademark for “X”

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Post by TX81Z »

jallen_dot_dev wrote: post #79
TX81Z wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon had this planned out from the start, 50 steps ahead. Make an outrageously high bid on a site with no consistent profit, try desperately to get out of the deal, and fail (as a misdirection of course), alienate power users, kill 50% of revenue, totally nuke site reliability, lose all the top talent, and of course, rack up a pile of lawsuits a mile deep. And only THEN, blow everybody’s mind by jettisoning a brand s…

I know you're being sarcastic, but it's shocking how many people think he's actually a genius and all his missteps are really galaxy-brain maneuvers we just don't understand yet. Like, there are millions of them.

It just fails basic logic, I seriously don’t understand on any level.

Re: Microsoft Owns the Trademark for “X”

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Post by evandale »

arcticbull wrote: post #73
TX81Z wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, he’s not. He’s something so much better than that we don’t even have a word for it. He is a human singularity, I can’t believe we get to be alive on this earth at the same time as this man.

"In principle, I don’t believe anyone should own or run Twitter. It wants to be a public good at a protocol level, not a company. Solving for the problem of it being a company however, Elon is the singular solution I trust. I trust his mission to extend the light of consciousness." - Jack Dorsey, April 25, 2022. Certainly nobody can deny Elon is solving for the problem of Twitter being a company.

He took that back.

https://fortune.com/2023/04/29/elon-musk-twitter-jack-dorsey...

Re: Microsoft Owns the Trademark for “X”

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Post by [deleted] »

hsjqllzlfkf wrote: post #78
TechBro8615 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is Twitter usage (measured in daily active user hours per day) lower now than it was before the acquisition?

Almost all engagement metrics are self-reported, and companies in the "attention economy" tend to lie about them; I don't expect elon musk to be any better.

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Re: Microsoft Owns the Trademark for “X”

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Post by s1artibartfast »

evandale wrote: post #95
s1artibartfast wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's fascinating how people can't just ignore Elon, especially the people that don't even use/like Twitter. Life is a lot easier if you just think "I don't care about" this and scroll past. Yet here we are, as I understanding the trademark to X will somehow matter in our personal lives or make us happy

There is something about successful men who get away with giving the finger to the woke crowd that _really_ tick people off.

I think that's certainly part of it, and it happens on all sides of the political Spectrum, but I just wonder why
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