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It doesn’t take much public creativity to stand out as a job candidate

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Re: It doesn’t take much public creativity to stand out as a job candidate

#91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At what point in the job finding/interviewing process are you having trouble with? If you don’t mind me asking?

It could be when they see that https://git.gavinhoward.com/gavin/petty-tyrant-businesses

While he does feel that he "live[s] in a place where people generally share the same values" some of those values are probably a bit public for a "boring mainstream" company.

I'd suggest separate technical/non-technical blogs and only referring people to the first. I'm mostly thinking of all the blog posts that explicitly point to the disclaimer..

You don't have to hide the personal blog but this is probably a bit much for sites you point employers at.

Re: It doesn’t take much public creativity to stand out as a job candidate

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I started doing talks this year to get better at speaking. Posted photos on LinkedIn and got an offer from an old acquaintance who saw it, for something related. Other than that, makes the day job mor fun and I became the 'expert' on the topic at eork

Re: It doesn’t take much public creativity to stand out as a job candidate

#93

When I applied recently to a new job, the interviewer(s) didn't even look at my github profile (or if they did, they might have clicked on one repo for 5s, and left). I know this based on the questions they asked me. Unless you highly curate your online presence for the hiring people (e.g. your blog only contains articles of interest to the interviewers in one place), I think nobody cares. The exception being is if y…

I would only ask if its directly relevant. If you have a fork of a few repos and a crud app, I don't really care. If you have something you want to draw attention to, do it in your resume with a link to the github profile.

Re: It doesn’t take much public creativity to stand out as a job candidate

#94

Unlike another top poster, this doesn't ring true for me. I have a blog with 170-ish posts. About half are technical. Three or four have gone viral on HN. The other half are personal, but I live in a place where people generally share the same values, so those other posts shouldn't be a problem. I've got a personal project. It's used in production and ships as part of the base install with FreeBSD and Mac OSX. It dem…

The other half are personal, but I live in a place where people generally share the same values, so those other posts shouldn't be a problem.

I read a couple of the posts; I can't comment on the demographics or beliefs of the people recruiting in the location you are looking, but I suspect they are not as uniform as you imply - and even those who share them may not share also your penchant for mixing the professional with cultural evangelism - especially if they have responsibility for team cohesion and company reputation.

Re: It doesn’t take much public creativity to stand out as a job candidate

#95
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It could be when they see that https://git.gavinhoward.com/gavin/petty-tyrant-businesses

It's funny, because posting that list of businesses is... also pretty petty. As is refusing to wear a mask during a global pandemic. I bet this guy also gets pissed off at the "no shoes, no shirt, no service" signs some businesses have. I know if I was hiring for something and found that post, that'd be an instant no-hire from me.

> It's funny, because posting that list of businesses is... also pretty petty.

People boycott things all the time for all kinds of reasons. Some people boycott Israeli businesses due to the Israel/Palestine conflict, other people boycott MyPillow, and others boycott Chik-Fil-A, or more recently Budweiser. The outrage here on HN is a bit annoying, considering this used to be a fairly balanced platform.

As a consumer, boycotting a business is basically the only recourse for whatever grievance (justified or not) you may have which happens to be outside the purview of the law. Or is boycotting not petty only when your tribe does it?

Re: It doesn’t take much public creativity to stand out as a job candidate

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Unlike another top poster, this doesn't ring true for me. I have a blog with 170-ish posts. About half are technical. Three or four have gone viral on HN. The other half are personal, but I live in a place where people generally share the same values, so those other posts shouldn't be a problem. I've got a personal project. It's used in production and ships as part of the base install with FreeBSD and Mac OSX. It dem…

Is it possible that employers could think that your political aspirations may outweigh your commitment to working consistently for them into the future? Links from your site:

https://gavinhoward.com/2020/06/i-am-running-for-office/

https://gab.com/gavinhoward

Re: It doesn’t take much public creativity to stand out as a job candidate

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post #95
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny, because posting that list of businesses is... also pretty petty. As is refusing to wear a mask during a global pandemic. I bet this guy also gets pissed off at the "no shoes, no shirt, no service" signs some businesses have. I know if I was hiring for something and found that post, that'd be an instant no-hire from me.

> It's funny, because posting that list of businesses is... also pretty petty. People boycott things all the time for all kinds of reasons. Some people boycott Israeli businesses due to the Israel/Palestine conflict, other people boycott MyPillow, and others boycott Chik-Fil-A, or more recently Budweiser. The outrage here on HN is a bit annoying, considering this used to be a fairly balanced platform. As a consumer,…

Absolutely agree boycotting is a great way to tell a business you're not happy with something they do.

But if many people think you are being petty/bonkers/anti-something-they-care-about based on why you are boycotting particular businesses, that might cause you some trouble.

> Or is boycotting not petty only when your tribe does it?

There are certainly some boycotts I don't participate in, but respect the decision of those who do.

Boycotting is petty when people think it's petty (pettiness is an opinion, not an intrinsic property of something). If you want to talk about "tribes", sure, maybe a particular "tribe" thinks some particular boycott is petty. That's life.

Re: It doesn’t take much public creativity to stand out as a job candidate

#98
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First they need to look at your application / resume. Then they need to have questions, which triggers curiosity that has them looking for more. Only then does having a piece of content help you. Yes it helps, but it doesn't help as much as having a resume that suggests you're a potentially good match without oversharing why you're not a good match. A good resume raises questions that leads to a conversation. The res…

When you make stuff the order is usually the other way around - someone finds your work, then gets interested in the person behind it.

If you make it easy for someone doing so to get in contact about job opportunities and make it clear you’re open to them, you’ll often start to get some.

Re: It doesn’t take much public creativity to stand out as a job candidate

#99

100%. Especially in a tough, competitive job market like today's, having a credible portfolio of work, published content, and external validation makes a huge difference. It can take a good candidate to the top of the list, and when that list is a few dozen great applications, that's critical. As a hiring manager I weigh a candidate's public presence at 10~15% of my initial decision, even more if it's exceptionally i…

(Obvious disclaimer all views are my own and not my employer's)

First, let me say that I don't disagree, pragmatically, with the truth of what you're saying, in terms of increasing your odds on the whole as a candidate.

But that said, as another hiring manager, let me respectfully disagree with this as a strong hiring signal. I say this, to boot, as an engineer with an, in my experience, above average OSS contribution, research, and patent portfolio, although these things are a bit power-law-esque so obviously I'm nothing next to many.

When I interview, I want to know you have a track record of high quality delivery, and are good for the skills you attest to. I can understand some folks looking at the public displays as a proxy to that, but I'd argue, at that point, indexing on the "public" part is orthogonal to what we're looking for it to display, and carries both false positives and negatives.

To some degree we may be agreeing loudly here, where you'd say "well that's what them putting it in public is" but I'd worry that by caring about the public component vs. a more generalized examination of professionalism and accomplishment, we preclude folks who have no time or interest in curating that sort of profile.

If I put myself into the absolute edge case of two candidates all things being equal but one seems to have also made a more visible portfolio of work, MAYBE, MAYBE that would move the needle in terms of establishing a degree of external validation, but I think I'd be looking _hard_ for other aspects to differentiate that would seem to have more direct applicability to our day-to-day needs, and am hard pressed to think of a time in the last few hundred interviews I've had to make such a choice without a stronger differentiator for any candidate above a very junior level.

Re: It doesn’t take much public creativity to stand out as a job candidate

#100
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As a person involved in hiring in my company, one of my goals is to remove biases for things that are not really related to the thing I'm evaluating, which is the ability to do a given job. There are valid reasons not to have an interest in publishing your coding or writing work, there are lots of great developers that don't do that, so I don't feel like this should make a difference.

I completely agree that here are lots of great developers without a public figure.

However, having one gives the interviewer some additional insights about you. While no candidate should be discarded for not having public code, I don't think dismissing it completely without even looking at it is correct, because you are discarding a great source of information about a candidate.

Note that the insight could even be negative (such as a candidate applying to a senior position with sub-par public code recently written)

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