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A glitch in the SEO matrix

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Re: A glitch in the SEO matrix

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post #15

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> But what's the alternative ? None. And gob help you if you dare search for alternative to _____ .

That page is certainly useful to find alternatives , I like I can filter by FOSS

Which of the ten Google result pages full of Alternative to___ pages are you talking about?

Re: A glitch in the SEO matrix

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post #71
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After having used computers for a few years (oh, about 30), and having grown up with the internet (first dialup at age 16 in 1996), I gotta say, Access to information should not have (ranked, optimizable, commercially-bent) search as its base interface. This is a cosmic, civilization-level screwup. Not only do you get the decades of SEO and advertising, but the whole system becomes lossy over time. You can't find wha…

What's the alternative? Manually curated directories lost to search. Anything completely manual isn't going to be "web-scale". Anything algorithmic is ranked and optimizable.

Manual curation, the way libraries work. (Or at least, good libraries) And search functions within those curated datasets.

Re: A glitch in the SEO matrix

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After having used computers for a few years (oh, about 30), and having grown up with the internet (first dialup at age 16 in 1996), I gotta say, Access to information should not have (ranked, optimizable, commercially-bent) search as its base interface. This is a cosmic, civilization-level screwup. Not only do you get the decades of SEO and advertising, but the whole system becomes lossy over time. You can't find wha…

What's the alternative? Manually curated directories lost to search. Anything completely manual isn't going to be "web-scale". Anything algorithmic is ranked and optimizable.

Wikipedia is a pretty decent, manually curated repository of encyclopedic information. Google search gets worse and worse every year but Wikipedia is pretty stable over time.

Sure, it has its own problems with edit wars and editor politics, but compared to the cesspool of SEO spam on Google, Wikipedia is an information paradise.

Re: A glitch in the SEO matrix

#94
post #4

You either play the Organic SEO game or you Pay to Play (Ads). Google as a search engine is now useless when it comes to searching for a tool/software etc because everyone has gamed the "Best software for xyz" etc. But what's the alternative ? None. There are these "review" websites like Capterra/Software Advice/G2 and again you have to pay to play. You can technically get a review from a customer and get listed BUT…

The alternative for users is Kagi, which is superior to Google for search results. For businesses, there is no good alternative to Google. Many are investing a lot of effort and money in social media, but the returns are very low compared to Google.

I’ve been heavily considering the 1k Kagi but the limit thing has been giving me pause.

I’ve yet to try to trial tho so that should help give context how quickly I burn thru 100

Re: A glitch in the SEO matrix

#95
post #4

You either play the Organic SEO game or you Pay to Play (Ads). Google as a search engine is now useless when it comes to searching for a tool/software etc because everyone has gamed the "Best software for xyz" etc. But what's the alternative ? None. There are these "review" websites like Capterra/Software Advice/G2 and again you have to pay to play. You can technically get a review from a customer and get listed BUT…

>But what's the alternative ?

https://metaphor.systems/ is pretty good for exactly this kind of thing. The way the search algorithm is designed also make it extremely difficult to game.

Re: A glitch in the SEO matrix

#96

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> Both SEO and search result ads on Google are dead And then > Google's visibility of all transactions on every e-commerce website on the internet is insane. Ah, so they have all of the information and yet their ad products don't work. They don't know this?

They appear to work just well enough to keep you hooked while they increasingly eat your margin.

My 2 cents - in the past, there were bigger inefficiencies that advertisers could exploit. So they could buy a click for 10 cents, and profit 25 cents from it. Google has gotten better and closed that gap, so now you pay 15 cents (and due to increased competition, you might only profit 20 cents)

The opportunities are still there in local minima, places where it's too small for Google to optimize. But the trend is clear.

Re: A glitch in the SEO matrix

#97
post #10

It wasn't written to answer someone's question or satisfy their search intent. It was just written to rank. Anyone who’s searched for reviews or tech questions recently has experienced this. And it’s slowly eating everything. The web is turning into nothing but potemkin content.

This is strangely where I've found the most personal benefit of LLMs. As long as it's not too current or depend on recent information (like the weather), searching for information in LLMs reminds me a lot of Google 10 years ago. Yea sometimes LLMs hallucinate, but sometimes websites are just wrong. For a variety of topics LLMs are just a better form of search .

I just typed this into ChatGPT (so not even a question): "tar -x??? filename.tar.gz"

It gave me back "tar -xzvf filename.tar.gz" with a breakdown of what each switch does. I don't think Google's ever been able to intuit what I'm asking for like that.

Re: A glitch in the SEO matrix

#98
post #66
post #27

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> It was removed because it was being gamed from the outset. 'Gamed' as in people would block the most ad-infested pages which just so happened to be the ones which made Google the most money?

No, 'gamed' as in mass blocking one's competitor's results. If you think ads are bad you should take a peep into the world of 'negative seo'. I can assure you that any solution you can think of that will improve web search will be used in the exact opposite way you imagine.

So Google was using the blocklists as a signal of site quality?

Seems the problem's not the blocking itself then, and the whole feature didn't need to be removed, just its use as a metric.

Re: A glitch in the SEO matrix

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post #71
post #30

After having used computers for a few years (oh, about 30), and having grown up with the internet (first dialup at age 16 in 1996), I gotta say, Access to information should not have (ranked, optimizable, commercially-bent) search as its base interface. This is a cosmic, civilization-level screwup. Not only do you get the decades of SEO and advertising, but the whole system becomes lossy over time. You can't find wha…

What's the alternative? Manually curated directories lost to search. Anything completely manual isn't going to be "web-scale". Anything algorithmic is ranked and optimizable.

Lists/"awesome lists" and lists of lists are great.

https://github.com/jnv/lists

Re: A glitch in the SEO matrix

#100
post #24
post #17

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I remember how quickly Google removed the ability to block domains, once they added it. I think that was the peak of its usability.

It was removed because it was being gamed from the outset. The workable alternative would be a 'Social Credit' system where some domains can be blocked if enough of the 'right people' want them blocked. Google running a social credit system may have unintended consequences though.

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