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Re: Telegram raises $210M through bond sales

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Post by Arathorn »

Arathorn wrote: post #89
darthrupert wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately the server I use doesn't support sliding sync yet. edit Also, how far is Element X? I just tried it out with a matrix.org account, and it still makes the pretty bad UX blunder of confusing private one-on-one chats with rooms. I don't doubt that they're rooms technically, but you really need to hide that fact from the user if you wish to reach Telegram's usability.

EX is about 2 weeks old. It doesn’t yet have filters to split DMs from rooms, but it will.

plus unless I’m missing something, telegram doesn’t seem to distinguish DMs from group chats in the room list either?

Re: Telegram raises $210M through bond sales

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Post by darthrupert »

Arathorn wrote: post #91
Arathorn wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EX is about 2 weeks old. It doesn’t yet have filters to split DMs from rooms, but it will.

plus unless I’m missing something, telegram doesn’t seem to distinguish DMs from group chats in the room list either?

Not graphically, but they don't call these things "rooms" nor "channels" anywhere. I feel that's just confusing for most people and unnecessary for those who would understand it.

Perhaps I should make an issue out of this concern, but I'm a bit afraid that it won't matter: you guys would have done this by now if you thought about it like I do.

Re: Telegram raises $210M through bond sales

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Post by coolspot »

darthrupert wrote: post #87
coolspot wrote: post #48

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Signal is very obviously compromised, likely a CIA honeypot. Just look into their PIN + Intel SGX scheme. Or lack of open-source client with reproducible builds.

Very obviously? Can you elaborate?

I gave the pointer to SGX + PIN , that is enough for curious to find out what I meant.

Re: Telegram raises $210M through bond sales

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Post by darthrupert »

Shorel wrote: post #88
BozeWolf wrote: post #51

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The parent probably points to security. Telegram is insecure, this has been discussed many times before. (Rolled their own encryption, a master key, unencrypted group chats) Thing is that telegram is a completely different app. It has features for discovering and joining communities. Open or closed. Bots, etcetera. Both Signal and Whatsapp do not have that. It is more like a social network. That said: it is insecure.…

I would think being compromised by the current Russian government is enough of a red flag.

Exactly. That + default non-encryption is a horrible combination in this day and age.

Re: Telegram raises $210M through bond sales

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Post by darthrupert »

coolspot wrote: post #93
darthrupert wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very obviously? Can you elaborate?

I gave the pointer to SGX + PIN , that is enough for curious to find out what I meant.

Indeed. I can see how this might be a problem for some people but CIA is not on my threat model at least right now. Russia might be, even though I'm probably not important enough for them to care. Still I wouldn't want anyone there be able to mine my data for even the slightest piece of info.

Re: Telegram raises $210M through bond sales

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Post by Arathorn »

darthrupert wrote: post #92
Arathorn wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

plus unless I’m missing something, telegram doesn’t seem to distinguish DMs from group chats in the room list either?

Not graphically, but they don't call these things "rooms" nor "channels" anywhere. I feel that's just confusing for most people and unnecessary for those who would understand it. Perhaps I should make an issue out of this concern, but I'm a bit afraid that it won't matter: you guys would have done this by now if you thought about it like I do.

No, I totally agree that DMs should be called DMs in the UI, and Rooms should be called Rooms. Unfortunately, there's just a plain old blindspot here - i'll keep pointing out and we'll get it fixed.
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