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Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by carlosjobim »

dspillett wrote: post #30
4ggr0 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There a version of the NewPipe app which contains the SponsorBlock plugin. I use it since months and can't watch YouTube videos without it anymore.

I block ads not because I'm completely anti-advert. I'm anti being-stalked-through-my-entire-life-and-having-my-details-sold-like-I'm-a-cheap-peice-of-meat, and unfortunately ATM blocking that also means blocking most online adverts. So I draw the line before sponsorblock. At least the content creators get a better cut of that than they get from YouTube monetisation & youtube can't take it away from them as easily at…

The creator gets zero dollars from you watching sponsored segments, unless you actually go and buy the product using their promo code. So you are not helping them, only wasting your time.

A better option is YouTube Premium + Sponsorblock. Then your time spent watching a video translates to payment to the video creator - at a higher rate than for users watching with ads. And you save your time by skipping sponsored segments.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by Zuiii »

AhoyYarr wrote: post #70
poplet wrote: post #56

Google probably indexes 25% of the content available nowadays.... I rarely use Google

Is there a good search engine that indexes more stuff?

Precisely what I wanted to ask as well. I only of yandex which gives really good results like old google, but I'd rather have alternatives in case when yandex fails.

The general search engines that I know of are (ordered from best to worst): - yandex - ddg - google

Literally any search engine, regardless of affiliation, is welcome as long as it returns google-grade results (old google ofc) for more than half its searches.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by carlosjobim »

imiric wrote: post #80
yetanotherloss wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm completely anti advert. They declared war on civilization 20 years ago and don't deserve to be treated as anything but a parasitic cultural disease. It didn't have to be this way, but that's where they took us.

20 years ago? Advertising has corrupted every public medium since the dawn of print media, arguably even before that. In the 19th century, it was quackery and false advertising in newspapers, making snake oil salesmen rich. In the first half of the 20th century, advertising started using propaganda tactics to psychologically manipulate consumers, as pioneered by Edward Bernays[1], making tobacco companies rich. Radio…

> advertising started using propaganda tactics to psychologically manipulate consumers

Advertising and propaganda have always been the exact same thing, and in at least some latin languages it is plainly called propaganda in all occasions. As in people will say that they work in propaganda and universities offer degrees in propaganda.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by eloisius »

Sunspark wrote: post #88
wkat4242 wrote: post #82

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Oh really?? In our company it still happens a lot. Especially the all caps last names are standard. Even in many non french countries. The quotation chevrons I've seen only in some people's output indeed.

All caps started becoming more popular in English because a lot of people now have names where the first and last names are interchangeable and it was causing uncertainty.

I wouldn’t mind this becoming an international standard. Going back and forth between the west and Asia, no one is ever sure upon first look which is my given name and which is my surname because of it being written in a different order across different ID cards, registration forms, etc.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by SauciestGNU »

dcow wrote: post #55
boomboomsubban wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. The DRM circumvention parts of the DMCA specify a court order is needed to stop a circumvention device.

Why isn't this higher up? This seems like the actual meat of the discussion: Google is erroneously interpreting this takedown request as something it's supposed to comply with, when in fact it's not. Furthermore by misinterpreting requirements here Google is harming the public and newpipe. I wonder what newpipe's appeal (to Google) process looks like...

Putting on my conspiracy theory hat, but I've used the NewPipe android app for at least a couple years now and the experience has been so good I wondered why Google hadn't made more of an effort to quash it. Maybe this is a way for them to harm the project without looking anticompetitive or something.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by Zuiii »

I have a set of test questions I use to gauge how badly a LLM model has been lobotomized whenever a new one is released. This post made me finally realize that google search is really going away (compromise core mission due to invalid DMCA request? really??) and that I will have to start looking for new search engines.

This of course means that I need a way to gauge prospective search engines. My first attempt:

- Search for software like newpipe and dolphine emulator

- Search for content that very strong people fought hard to bury

- Search for public library sites like libgen, zstd, and scihub.

- Search for popular torrent sites

- Search for far-right content if search engine is US-based (suggestions please)

- Search for far-left content if search engine is US-based (suggestions please)

What else have I missed?

Sidenote: It's been clear for a while now that unbiased google-grade search engines are going away. Each search engine has at least one topic where it would deliberately return garbage results. We need a meta search engine that automatically routes a search query to the least damaged search engine.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by capitainenemo »

GordonFremen wrote: post #68
nine_k wrote: post #64

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> someone in Mountain View is more fluent in French than in English No, I think this is for a case of any dispute of terms and particular formulations. The French version, I suppose, is the authoritative original, and a judge or an arbitrator might call for a certified translator to make exact sense of the letter's demands.

Right, but the DMCA is an American law. It's irrelevant in France.

Kind of assuming the lawyer or whoever formulated the complaint spoke english... would make sense if there was a translation of a legal request, that the original and the translation be included. In case of errors if nothing else.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by ehPReth »

eloisius wrote: post #94
Sunspark wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All caps started becoming more popular in English because a lot of people now have names where the first and last names are interchangeable and it was causing uncertainty.

I wouldn’t mind this becoming an international standard. Going back and forth between the west and Asia, no one is ever sure upon first look which is my given name and which is my surname because of it being written in a different order across different ID cards, registration forms, etc.

no shouting everywhere please :(. maybe an underline?

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by kerkeslager »

robertlagrant wrote: post #35
yetanotherloss wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm completely anti advert. They declared war on civilization 20 years ago and don't deserve to be treated as anything but a parasitic cultural disease. It didn't have to be this way, but that's where they took us.

As long as you avoid things that are paid for by ads, there's no moral problem.

Advertising is inherently immoral and it's our moral obligation to drive advertisers into bankruptcy.

All advertisers are liars. Even when they're not directly saying untrue things, they're presenting a one-sided view of the truth, to the extent of being intentionally misleading.

The harm done by these lies is incalculable. The distraction. The loss of self-esteem caused by ads always telling us we aren't enough, don't have enough. The fear caused by ads telling us we'll lose what we have. The loss of financial stability on things we don't need or want.

And that's just what ads are. That's not even talking about how advertising is done, with a million dishonest tricks to jam themselves in front of you or gather your data to lie to you more interestingly and convincingly.

The only good ad is a blocked ad that cost the advertisers money.

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