Heaven forbid businesses pay for open source software. Paying for closed-in-every-way SaaS is fine though.
OwnCloud Infinite Scale added EULA that prohibits commercial use [pdf]
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Re: OwnCloud Infinite Scale added EULA that prohibits commercial use [pdf]
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why is it a mistake? If you have not modified the code, then the source code is available via the same place they received it. It sounds like you just want anyone using the code to automatically become a mirror
It is a mistake for the intent of GPL licenses because if the place they received it closes down it can become difficult to get the source / de facto closed source. The solution to this is for every place using the software to become a mirror or otherwise allow access to the source code in the same way as if they were distributing GPL binaries, correct.
> It is a mistake for the intent of GPL licenses because if the place they received it closes down it can become difficult to get the source / de facto closed source.
Are there any examples of AGPLv3 software that has become de facto closed because the original vendor no longer distributes it and nobody else distributes their copy?
Sounds like a made up problem, theoretically possible but so unlikely as to not be an earnest and genuine concern.
Re: OwnCloud Infinite Scale added EULA that prohibits commercial use [pdf]
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
They have required contributors to actually sign a CLA since the beginning, so yeah, they do own the copyright.
According to the README[1] on their source repository, that is, flatly, untrue. They say: > We are very happy that oCIS does not require a Contributor License Agreement (CLA) as it is Apache 2.0 licensed. We hope this will make it easier to contribute code. If you want to get in touch, most of the developers hang out in our rocket chat channel or reach out to the ownCloud central forum. They also say: > Some builds o…
oh, well I stand corrected then. I contributed to ownCloud many years ago and at that time CLAs were required.
Re: OwnCloud Infinite Scale added EULA that prohibits commercial use [pdf]
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
No companies will touch it either.
This is correct ^. Also, why should anyone want to use a crap license that restricts what you can do. As a software engineer those are crap licenses, same as a business owner, why do I want to support creation of some software that will never be a true native cloud service, I'd rather those companies and tech stacks die. The only people who care are startups who can't figure out a business model, and you should not s…
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Re: OwnCloud Infinite Scale added EULA that prohibits commercial use [pdf]
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
My understanding is the problem with the SSPL is the entire stack has to be released under the SSPL, which makes it incompatible with most other open source software, including the linux kernel.
why linux kernel?
Because it's licenced under the GPL, which doesn't give you permission to release it under the SSPL.
Re: OwnCloud Infinite Scale added EULA that prohibits commercial use [pdf]
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
> basically an Anti-AWS clause to protect against the ElasticSearch/OpenSearch thing. I wonder what the best license would be for the projects that want something like this? I mean SSPL got a lot of flak. Something like BSL was regarded more positively, but also was meant for a slightly different use case.
For a while I thought it was AGPL, but after reading it it looks like there are no provisions against using the code for commercial purposes, only that if source code is used, the modified source code must also be made available to the public.
No cloud provider will release their own code so AGPL works as intended.
Re: OwnCloud Infinite Scale added EULA that prohibits commercial use [pdf]
#97> Commercial Use means corporate use intended for commercial advantage, monetary compensation or profit-making, including but not limited to e.g. offering ownCloud Infinite Scale based software-as-a-service (SaaS), platform-as-a-service (PaaS) or any other types of hosted services to a third party. Whereas scenarios in which such a commercial advantage is intended to be realized indirectly by leveraging ownCloud Infi…
I suspect this isn't free software anymore.
Re: OwnCloud Infinite Scale added EULA that prohibits commercial use [pdf]
#98With this PR https://github.com/owncloud/ocis/pull/6755 I tried to make the policy a bit more clear after we got a nice issue report about it. To be clear: only binary builds of stable versions of Infinite Scale that the ownCloud company is shipping are protected by the EULA. The source code license is Apache2 or AGPL for some parts, and is not touched by this of course. The EULA even allows free use widely, includin…
I remember RMS saying the GPL doesn't restrict how you USE the software. It just adds the responsibility of providing source code to the users.
If it doesn't allow some uses, I don't think it is free software.
restricting availability of binaries might be ok with free software.
I don't know.
Re: OwnCloud Infinite Scale added EULA that prohibits commercial use [pdf]
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
> basically an Anti-AWS clause to protect against the ElasticSearch/OpenSearch thing. I wonder what the best license would be for the projects that want something like this? I mean SSPL got a lot of flak. Something like BSL was regarded more positively, but also was meant for a slightly different use case.
MariaDB's "Business source license" seems like a good bet to me. It has enough consumer protections in it that even I, as a free software zealot, will accept it. Mostly protects the 4 freedoms and compromises relatively little but you are allowed to customize the BSL to do things like lock out commercial use.
The BSL seems extremely restrictive to me. Even using the software in a non-commercial, personal capacity is not allowed unless it is for "development". The uasge of the term production/non-production is vague and potentially extremely broad.