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Can you say specifically what goes too far? I don't find it onerous or unreasonable at all, but my business model doesn't improve by violating it either.
Right to be forgotten has some really nasty edge csaes.
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Right to be forgotten has some really nasty edge csaes.
Such as?
- Enforcement records from illegal content / violating content
- Local data cache for offline mode in mobile apps
I'm not saying all of these apply to "Threads". But there are tons of edge cases to consider that need code changes t o behave as expected.
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Not sure I buy this. Some of the EU stuff is good, I think a lot of it goes to far and it's a terrible nightmare to navigate now, never mind in a decade when we're all using software that doesn't exist yet.
Can you say specifically what goes too far? I don't find it onerous or unreasonable at all, but my business model doesn't improve by violating it either.
Twenty-eight independent data regulators on a complain-investigate model. I’ve seen folks bury early-stage competitors with regulatory inundation as an effective, if unethical, strategy. Zero chance Musk wouldn’t have armadas of randos complaining raining in on Threads.
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Not sure I buy this. Some of the EU stuff is good, I think a lot of it goes to far and it's a terrible nightmare to navigate now, never mind in a decade when we're all using software that doesn't exist yet.
Can you say specifically what goes too far? I don't find it onerous or unreasonable at all, but my business model doesn't improve by violating it either.
Even with the best of intentions, these laws can be labyrinthian and ambiguous, and therefore expensive to (try to) observe. And there is still always the risk that you are found guilty of something. For a small or medium business, you are likely to be far enough out of the radar to avoid issues. But as a large company you may easily end up in legal crosshairs, costing millions or billions of euros, even if you ultimately prevail. And if you lose…
Re: Red flags in the Threads privacy policy
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Such as?
- Payments, particularly from P2P transactions. If I send you money, and then you request the deletion of your profile, there's plenty of complexity there. - Enforcement records from illegal content / violating content - Local data cache for offline mode in mobile apps I'm not saying all of these apply to "Threads". But there are tons of edge cases to consider that need code changes t o behave as expected.
There's really no complexity there. The right to be forgotten doesn't superseed other laws, and it is required by law in most countries, that transaction data be stored for 5 years plus running year, so in case you request to be forgotten, that can only happen once the mandatory data retainment has expired, which can easily be handled by a "transaction date", and simply run a batch job that matches each user to their transactions (and desire to be forgotten), and once transaction are expired and the user has requested to be forgotten, you simply delete.
> Local data cache for offline mode in mobile apps
The right to be forgotten has a "grace period", so set your cache expiration to less than that amount of time and you're pretty much home safe, or better yet, don't cache GDPR sensitive data and you can pretty much cache for as long as you like.
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> If you're having to pay to have people listen to you then that means you typically don't have something worth saying. This basically invalidates all of advertising in one stroke.
That's correct. I think this is how most people see advertising.
And then there is the “Play this one stupid game that has everyone hooked!!!” With an unrelated picture. Or “This guy became a millionaire in ONE day!1!” type of advertising.
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#97If your problem is with the ownership of Twitter, I don’t understand why you would run from the arms of one wannabe cage-fighter into another’s. If your problem is with ethics, FB isn’t a beacon of good behavior. If your problem is getting rate-limited or losing your blue checkmark, I guess go wild, but you probably already loved Twitter too much to leave.
I don't use Twitter or Facebook or IG so I also won't be using Zuck's new thing. That said, I did a quick straw poll of some non-tech relatives who have not expressed to me any previous opinion either way about Elon Musk and the takeover and got told "Twitter is really weird now and full of ads" and "I can't find anything any more". Anecdotal, but it seems to me twitter would be vulnerable if enough users felt that w…
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Can you say specifically what goes too far? I don't find it onerous or unreasonable at all, but my business model doesn't improve by violating it either.
How do you know you aren’t violating it? Even with the best of intentions, these laws can be labyrinthian and ambiguous, and therefore expensive to (try to) observe. And there is still always the risk that you are found guilty of something. For a small or medium business, you are likely to be far enough out of the radar to avoid issues. But as a large company you may easily end up in legal crosshairs, costing million…
Seriously though, GDPR compliance isn’t that hard. You just have to get out of the habit of collecting everything.
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It's not about any of those things, it's about just being a well-run internet service. Facebook is very good at running a big internet service that billions use, Twitter not so much under new management. A well-run internet service tries not to keep causing self-inflicted PR disasters. A well-run service is stable, consistently available, doesn't have a large amount of feature churn, and generally has stable leadersh…
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We have 4chan, parts of the fediverse and so on for unfiltered. Threads is for mainstream.
I don’t see that as bad. As someone who was a moderator, sometimes you want that sandwich and not Joe Schmoe stupid verbal trash he thought less than 3 seconds about.
Re: Red flags in the Threads privacy policy
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Not sure I buy this. Some of the EU stuff is good, I think a lot of it goes to far and it's a terrible nightmare to navigate now, never mind in a decade when we're all using software that doesn't exist yet.
If anything, the GDPRs wording of "legitimate interest" makes it too weak, where corporations can justify every use of data that makes them money as legitimate until a court stops them, as happened to Facebook very recently over ad microtargeting.