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The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Reddit’s mobile web experience really embraces this–even as a logged in user there is a frequent “Use our app!” popup that has been made progressively more obnoxious. Once upon a time there was a preference option to disable the popup, though it would periodically become unchecked on its own. Then the option to disable it disappeared. Then the popup started appearing not just on page load, but after a period of time…

Recently on mobile it's stopped giving me the option to even view the page anonymously, at least for adult content. It gives me: "This is mature content and may not be appropriate for certain viewers. To continue, use the app to confirm you're over 18 and browse anonymously."

That has the feel of hitting some regulatory issues (e.g. Utah's law) and/or having difficulty with porn in the App Store and the content rating of the app there.

Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

#94

I don’t think this is a dark pattern per se. You don’t expect to walk into any restaurant and get free food. With meta products, you pay for content by being tracked. If you refuse to sign in, they refuse to show you content. It’s simple.

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Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

#96

I’m really hating the signin with google on nearly every website. I don’t want you to know who I am, I might never even return to the site. Stop asking me to login so you can data mine me.

Turn it off at https://myaccount.google.com/connections/settings

Wow how did you find this? Thank you so much!

Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

#97

I don’t really mind blocking ads and that sort of stuff. The social contract for websites is that they’ll send me what they want and I’ll render it however I want. But if they don’t want to send me content because I don’t have an account, that’s fair game IMO. I mean, it is fine to complain, but I get where the company is coming from. They don’t make any money off those of us who block all their stuff. So, why do the…

Because 90% of their userbase doesn't think about this stuff and doesn't block anything. Why waste effort trying to rope the last few people into your schemes, when they will just find some other way around it or get pissed, write blog posts that get posted to HN, and abandon your platform otherwise.

I suspect they don’t want to serve anyone without an account, and just added the preview feature to get new users. So, I suspect the zero-effort response would go in the other direction; just block everyone without an account completely.

Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

#98

I feel the same burning hate like a thousand suns for FB/Meta, Google/YT and other platforms that monetize their users. But, let's be frank here: They monetize you and me, us, the users because 1 they can and, 2, they have to. Yes, they have to. Imagine they provided access to their platforms for free. How would the shareholders (your retirement funds included) respond when less profit was made? You see, we view them…

They can monetize by presenting ads, and they can identify you with cookies when you don't log in (or later when you do). They don't need to restrict their content to monetize. It's more likely that they are restricting their content to prevent scraping and/or indexing.

It's definitely to prevent scraping. Used to be you could scrape and hydrate any profile or hashtag. It was sort of a cat and mouse thing a couple years ago and now the Instagram website is locked down tight.

Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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post #62
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can still go to the restaurant to eat presumably they'll have some paper menus in there, or QR's or whatever

Aren't QR codes just a fundamentally flawed system due to how much easier they make phishing attacks?

Part of the motivation is to avoid having to produce Braille menus. Force your customers to use a device with built in accessibility features and you don't pay extra for ADA compliance.

Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hahahaha I was picturing this idea before asking tbh... We sometimes get some customers who hate the QR's, or claim not having phone/signal/whatever. I'll lend them my phone to check...

I'd refuse to touch your phone and insult you for the offer. If you don't have a paper menu the question of me giving you money is already off the table; the food is forgotten and my new mission in your restaurant is to punish you with my vindictive attitude. If enough waitresses complain about obnoxious boomers giving them grief, I think the business owner will eventually wisen up.

At The Fish Market, they had menus printed out each day with the current market rates of all the fish that they had and modified it for that day's availability.

Each day, they had new paper menus ( https://menucuisine.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/The-Fish-... - note the top)

Their menu is now also at https://order.online/store/the-fish-market-palo-alto-723242/...

I'm not sure if they still have paper menus or what the expense of those menus were.

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