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Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by garbagecoder »

kneebonian wrote: post #10
yborg wrote: post #6

I'm pretty sure the Navy also knows what was causing the "banging" heard underwater during the search. I don't understand the point of leaking this information now, it just makes it look like the Coast Guard spent 3 days and considerable money pretending to look for a target it knew was probably destroyed.

For starters the USCG != USN. They are 2 completely seperate branches of the military, even if the Navy likes to pretend the USCG doesn't exist and the USCG likes to pretend it's just as important as the Navy. With that being the case it could be operational inertia. Sonar tech hears something weird, reports it to his boss. His boss puts in a morning update the next day, he sees about the sub on the news, but he can'…

>“While not definitive, this information was immediately shared with the Incident Commander to assist with the ongoing search and rescue mission.”

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by Accujack »

yborg wrote: post #6

I'm pretty sure the Navy also knows what was causing the "banging" heard underwater during the search. I don't understand the point of leaking this information now, it just makes it look like the Coast Guard spent 3 days and considerable money pretending to look for a target it knew was probably destroyed.

>I'm pretty sure the Navy also knows what was causing the "banging" heard underwater during the search.

Obviously, an Orca rave.

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by garbagecoder »

cushychicken wrote: post #42
edgineer wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, we've had US intelligence, and specifically SOSUS, make its way to the public before, like with [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_incident

They used SOSUS to detect what happened to the USS Scorpion when it disappeared. Wasn't disclosed until many, many years later. SOSUS was highly classified until very recently.

SOSUS may have been classified but you could read about it 40+ years ago.

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by bombcar »

BestGuess wrote: post #83
jonah wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aahh, you're probably talking about Tom Mahood's: The Hunt for the Death Valley Germans. They were in Death Valley NP. An epic and gripping tale for sure. It made quite an impression on me as I was joining my local SAR team. https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/search-and-rescue/the-hu...

Well there goes my evening. thank ya kindly for sharing sir. I hear tell lots of independent people who are doing things anyway, like magnet fishers or sonar people and the like. Lots of times local PD's are very hostile like that story sort of indicated about the local sheriff with sharing information, threatening tresspassing where there ain't no tresspass or laws broken, refusing to share any information, things l…

the same searcher documents the search for Bill at a nearby park, and whom was finally found just recently. There’s some good YouTube on the theory on that one.

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by garbagecoder »

kneebonian wrote: post #14
vaidhy wrote: post #9

So, we spent all the time and money confirming what USN already knew?

USN != USCG. See my other comment in this thread that can explain it well.

That doesn't matter, dude. This is all set up on an ICS model. They're highly coordinated. Turn on your news sometime and one guy, a fire chief, a sheriff, or maybe rarely a military guy will be speaking and it won't be because they rock-paper-scissored for it.

I'm the last person to deny the massive frustrating bureaucracy that is the US military, but in this kind of thing, that's not an issue.

Former O-4 17 alpha. I was even less connected to the Coast Guard than the Navy is, but since they do port security, including cyber, if there was an issue there they were involved.

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by shusaku »

EA-3167 wrote: post #15
yborg wrote: post #6

I'm pretty sure the Navy also knows what was causing the "banging" heard underwater during the search. I don't understand the point of leaking this information now, it just makes it look like the Coast Guard spent 3 days and considerable money pretending to look for a target it knew was probably destroyed.

Remember we now KNOW for sure that the sub imploded, given the debris field, which means a sound loud enough to be picked up was generated. The Navy staying schtum on this does no one any good. It's also possible that someone in the political leadership overrode the preferences of people concerned about intelligence, but in this case I suspect that it's just pointless to deny it, so why not leak it now when it's goin…

> It's also possible that someone in the political leadership overrode the preferences of people concerned about intelligence, but in this case I suspect that it's just pointless to deny it

Actually, they probably do like announcing to the world “we heard it”, to hype up their capabilities and spook their adversaries. That’s why you wait, you don’t want to say you heard it and be wrong.

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by dessimus »

vaidhy wrote: post #9

So, we spent all the time and money confirming what USN already knew?

Even with the USN knowing it was fruitless, the USCG can use the activity to look at its operations and determine what improvements for SAR might exist in a way that pre-planned training exercises can not.

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by HWR_14 »

yborg wrote: post #6

I'm pretty sure the Navy also knows what was causing the "banging" heard underwater during the search. I don't understand the point of leaking this information now, it just makes it look like the Coast Guard spent 3 days and considerable money pretending to look for a target it knew was probably destroyed.

I imagine one reason is to check their assumptions. If the Coast Guard had found something, the Navy would have learned their analysis was off. Also, the Navy saying "we have secret evidence they are dead, so we are calling off the search" is terrible PR.

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by ikekkdcjkfke »

tedunangst wrote: post #52
yborg wrote: post #6

I'm pretty sure the Navy also knows what was causing the "banging" heard underwater during the search. I don't understand the point of leaking this information now, it just makes it look like the Coast Guard spent 3 days and considerable money pretending to look for a target it knew was probably destroyed.

Well, they can't prove what they heard wasn't a different sub imploding.

Perhaps they can triangulate

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by HWR_14 »

listenallyall wrote: post #73

Maybe this is off-topic, but in the midst of so much controversy about "top-secret documents" -- is it actually legal to leak out that such a "top secret military acoustic detection system" even exists, and if so, the results of the system's use? I mean, how is it "top secret" if it's in the newspaper?

It's usually illegal for the person to tell the reporter, but legal for the reporter to repeat what he was told. Notice that the Navy asked (not told) the reporter to withhold certain details.
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