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My ranking of every Shakespeare play

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Not trying to start any debate here with Shakespeare fans, just intend this as a supportive word for those of us who just don’t enjoy Shakespeare - Voltaire declared Hamlet a ‘vulgar and barbarous play’ and that ‘one would take this work to be the fruit of the inspiration of a drunken savage’ - George Bernard Shaw: ’. “There is no eminent writer, not even Sir Walter Scott, whom I despise so entirely as I despise Shak…

Dr. Johnson said Shakespeare's output could be obscene, shoddy, lack cohesion and moral instruction, and ignore the classical unities, but that "Shakespeare is above all writers, at least above all modern writers, the poet of nature; the poet that holds up to his readers a faithful mirrour of manners and of life."

He also famously had a fit when he learned how King Lear actually ended (in his era, a bowdlerized version with a happy ending was popular).

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> Romeo and Juliet ... A beautiful play, but I just don’t connect with its romantic core. Anyone who has children understands that this play is 100% a tragedy and is in no way romantic. Two teenage idiots think they're in love and end up killing themselves stupidly to prove it. The adults are also doofuses. The play itself is brilliant, but horrifying.

They are in love. This is what makes it such a tragedy. Romeo and Juliet are not idiots, they are clearly the most sensible persons in the play. And it is anachronisic to call them teenagers, since the idea of “teenage” as a stage between childhood and adulthood is a 20th century innovation. In the universe of the play, they are adults and of marrying age. Apparently some teachers try to teach the play as a warning a…

> they are clearly the most sensible persons in the play

Their committing suicide would beg to differ. And whether or not they were considered adults, they were surely in the throes of biological puberty.

I don't think the play has a side. It is a story that contains multitudes.

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I remember the teacher talking up Romeo and Juliet and being fairly unimpressed. But when I read King Lear, I was electrified- that scene with the king ranging around in the field while the fool says smart things is really good IMHO. I saw the Scottish Play put on by my high school theater and it was also great. Over time I've come to appreciate his fragments: "But soft! what light through yonder window breaks? Tis t…

I had a similar experience. Schools seem absolutely determined to force the most boring parts of Shakespeare on us, then years later when I was almost done with school I ran across Much Ado About Nothing - and that was a good one. I liked that one. That should have been one of the ones used to introduce us to him.

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A well-known software consultant/writer once told me that his years-long hobby, with his wife, was to watch every film of every Shakespeare play. They were working their way through all the Hamlets, all the Macbeths, all the etc., in chronological sequence—indexed by (play, film date), not (film date, play). That's a lot of Hamlets. Not sure what they were doing with the Shakespeare movies that got made since they st…

Did that include things like the modernized Romeo and Juliet with Leonardo DiCaprio or Gnomio and Juliet?

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Re: My ranking of every Shakespeare play

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I've read about half of them, seen more than a bunch live and in film, enough to annoy the kids.

Some versions I like:

* David Tenant's Much Ado about Nothing. Kenneth Branagh's is good too, and easier to find.

* Branagh's Henry V.

* I actually like Mel Gibson's Hamlet.

* Almost any Midsummer's Night Dream. It's just a fun play, even kids can enjoy it.

* The Coen Bros' Macbeth on AppleTV

* Rosencrantx and Guildenstern are Dead. Hamlet, but exits are entrances.

Re: My ranking of every Shakespeare play

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This is a surprising ranking. I haven't read or seen every play yet, but I've seen or read a majority. The Tempest is one of my favorites! The '79 Trevor Nunn/RSC Macbeth with Judi Dench and Ian McKellen is incredible!

I'd have liked more detail from the OP about all the versions watched, and also which of the plays he'd read.

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That was fun to read, even though I would disagree with much of the article. I generally like the comedies least, the OP likes them most, but it's nice to see people talk about Shakespeare in an article linked here. A couple of comments I would make: * "People will think I’m crazy, but yes, I’m placing Henry IV above Henry V." I doubt many people would think you're crazy, the Henry IVs are generally considered better…

He’s just wrong about Titus Andronicus. It’s far and away the worst.

Two Gentlemen of Verona is pretty cringe.

Re: My ranking of every Shakespeare play

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Anyone who likes Shakespeare--or anyone who wants to like it--should watch this marvelous BBC Series called "Playing Shakespeare": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2VnxiW3oqk&list=PLboSQWmG70... It's produced by the Royal Shakespeare company and is comprised simply of some of the greatest shakeasperean actors (Judi Dench, Ian McKellan, David Suchet, Patrick Stewart) talking about different elements of how to act shak…

I found this on YouTube a couple of years ago, and yes, it's great.

Re: My ranking of every Shakespeare play

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> Romeo and Juliet ... A beautiful play, but I just don’t connect with its romantic core. Anyone who has children understands that this play is 100% a tragedy and is in no way romantic. Two teenage idiots think they're in love and end up killing themselves stupidly to prove it. The adults are also doofuses. The play itself is brilliant, but horrifying.

Maybe read it as capital-R Romantic, which is heavily invested in tragedy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanticism

Re: My ranking of every Shakespeare play

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I've read about half of them, seen more than a bunch live and in film, enough to annoy the kids. Some versions I like: * David Tenant's Much Ado about Nothing. Kenneth Branagh's is good too, and easier to find. * Branagh's Henry V. * I actually like Mel Gibson's Hamlet. * Almost any Midsummer's Night Dream. It's just a fun play, even kids can enjoy it. * The Coen Bros' Macbeth on AppleTV * Rosencrantx and Guildenster…

> Almost any Midsummer's Night Dream

Couldn't agree more. It's easily my fav Shakespeare because it is so much fun.

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