Is there some alternative reddits? I don’t care about this stupid protest and I’m sure many users as well.
Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely
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#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you underestimate the value of that free labor. Reddit isn't even profitable. Hiring mods for thousands of subreddits would cost them a ton of money, not only in wages but in the cost of finding and training those workers. Beyond that, the minute the mods are official employees of Reddit, Reddit is fully responsible for all the content on all those subs. Social media companies are already under a lot of scrut…
I think you underestimate the ability of AI to literally solve this problem for almost nothing. The large subs can absolutely be automated moderation, if they're not already. Enough flags on a post? Just take it down, there will be 15 million new posts in an hour.
Too easily gamed and not reliable. And if people find out you are using AI for modding, they will find a way to mess with it.
A human has discernment. An AI is looking at cute colors at a wall but doesn’t actually know which one is red or blue.
Re: Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely
#93Good. This works out for everybody except the brain dead C-level executives that tried to bully indie app developers. - regular people get a break from their echo chambers - VOLUNTEER mods get a break - journalists get their news article The only loser here is the corporation side. Significant loss of value from decreased user activity. Subsequent loss of revenue. Inability to extract as much value from the users dat…
Your view is a little simplistic. There is plenty of useful information on Reddit. I'm a big fan of home-related subs for example, where a lot of trade-knowledgeable people seem to hang out. There is a wealth of information on subs like r/DIY, r/HomeImprovement, r/paint, r/woodworking, etc.
Re: Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely
#94Good. This works out for everybody except the brain dead C-level executives that tried to bully indie app developers. - regular people get a break from their echo chambers - VOLUNTEER mods get a break - journalists get their news article The only loser here is the corporation side. Significant loss of value from decreased user activity. Subsequent loss of revenue. Inability to extract as much value from the users dat…
> Although I do foresee Reddit “super mods” forcibly removing the blackout through their backend, removing mod status from the “rebels” and inserting their own friendly mods until they can find replacements.
I agree this is likely, which will extend the negative reactions further and alienate even more users. Unless Reddit execs do a 180 in the very near future I think the platform will be forever crippled.
Large networks rarely die overnight and whatever happens they will still have a number of users for the foreseeable future, but the steady fade to irrelevance will begin in earnest.
Power users drive a huge amount of content and moderation, and they are especially livid right now for good reason.
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#95Expect more sealed off content. Thanks to ai scrapers more companies will want to close their apis or charge a fee. Heck even openai, the main leech want to prevent others from “training” their bots against their ai that has been trained on other people’s work, bandwidth and ip. Mods closing subreddits are just a symptom.
Removing the APIs, or gatekeeping them, will do absolutely nothing to prevent the publicly exposed data from being collected.
Re: Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely
#96Good. This works out for everybody except the brain dead C-level executives that tried to bully indie app developers. - regular people get a break from their echo chambers - VOLUNTEER mods get a break - journalists get their news article The only loser here is the corporation side. Significant loss of value from decreased user activity. Subsequent loss of revenue. Inability to extract as much value from the users dat…
It doesn't work out for everybody. Lots of high quality communities outside of reddit have been invaded by people looking for an alternative and as a result they are now fighting massive traffic spikes, spam or the general reddit hive-mind taking over their discussion.
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#97I’m all for this but what’s to keep Reddit from manning the subreddits themselves??
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#98This is what is needed to put pressure on Reddit. A two day protest then returning to normal is a blip in the grand scheme of things. But if they do not change their API pricing, stance on third party apps, etc, then a prolonged blackout could lead to an eventual exodus. I hope the communities I used to engage in partake in this prolonged blackout.
This is explicitly what their CEO said. Many subreddits said they'd return on wednesday. https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/13/23759559/reddit-internal-...
Maybe I'm reading it in a biased manner, but that sure has the feel of "if we wait it out the pigs will get hungry and be back at the trough on Wednesday." I don't think they respect their users, he doesn't understand that's a big part of why people are getting so upset, and he just keeps talking. Lol.
Re: Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely
#99What’s stopping Reddit from enabling all the subs?
They'd have to remove the moderators or they could just delete everything with automoderator (some subs already went read only or "long time members only" instead of private), and then if they remove them who will replace the moderators in the subreddits are doing things like running community competitions, themed topics, etc.
Stuff like r/aww and r/videos would probably survive if it was just the Reddit employees removing offensive stuff that gets upvoted high, but it will kill the long tail where the moderators are less garbage removers and more community organisers. Maybe just the generic mindless feed is enough for Reddit to be a successful business, but it's not what most people think of Reddit as, and it's not clear why such a rump reddit would be able to take users off of Tiktok etc.
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Most of the mods are debatably not power hungry Everything made sense except this part. Power goes to everyone's head.
I have no doubt, my point is the mods of r/music don’t have a specific leaning that they’d try to manipulate. Most of the mods of bigger subs have been doing it for years and it’s just a quirky hobby/obligation. Obviously the super mods are in the pocket of the admins, and political subs are very controlling. But appointing a new round of mods for a sub with millions of subscribers will attract the most bottom barrel…
> attract the most bottom barrel power hungry people
Fair