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WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

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Re: WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

#91
Hi, WHO. Are you okay?

Did big sugar threaten you? Offer you money? Are some governments/sponsors making you say these ridiculous things?

This is an extraordinary claim that defies common sense. And your evidence is, what? Oh right, let me quote from the paper:

> The recommendation is based on evidence of low certainty overall

Re: WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

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I’m not giving up my Coke Zero. It’s an indulgence that I can live with long term. Unlike alcohol, donuts, pizza, and all the other shit that I enjoy but have to severely restrict.

Nobody's going to make you give up your Coke Zero. The sweetener epidemic has, however, deprived me of things I enjoy. Coke, fortunately, remains available in "Classic" form, but here in the UK many drinks are no longer available without sweeteners: Vimto, Irn Bru, Tango, Lilt, Ribena, Robinson's Barley Water, Schweppes Tonic Water - all are now full of aspartame and saccharin in their non-"diet" variants.

As a person with a healthy weight and the self-discipline to maintain it long term, with no diabetes or risk of it, who is not and never has been addicted to sugary drinks but who enjoys them (greatly) as an infrequent, calorie-counted treat, the loss of these childhood tastes is saddening, especially since there is very little evidence of any actual public health benefit.

If I were magically transported back to the 1980s the first thing I'd do is buy a bottle of Corona Cherryade.

Re: WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

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Splendid news. I can ditch the artificial sweeteners and return to putting three sugar lumps in my tea, since, somewhat counter-intuitively, using sweeteners instead of sugar doesn't help with weight control.

Basically. There's some evidence that artificial sweeteners spike insulin as well, so a net gain of nothing in some cases.

The evidence is poor for those studies. Since in human trials it is still unclear if artificial sweetners can raise insulin levels.

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/artificial-sweeteners-b...

Re: WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

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I'm super dubious about their conclusions here. Fat people drink diet soda because they are trying to avoid sugar. Diet soda actually tastes damn good these days, there isn't really a reason to drink regular soda.

Aspartame has a negative effect on the myelin sheath of neurons: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6014252/ As far as I know, all of the sugar alternatives have some (usually neuro?) downside that makes them scarier to me than sugar!

Skimmed through the text, and I'm fairly convinced (haven't drank Diet Coke in months), but I'd like to see a fourth group administered high fructose corn syrup and/or other artificial sweeteners.

Re: WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

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This was posted when it was published in May. To use an analogy their argument is: Vaping is bad for you, don't do it. While ignoring that a ton of people quit smoking using vapes and that they're letting the perfect be the enemy of good. Same thing with NSS. While NSS are a useful tool for sugar reduction, studies have shown that over the medium-long term, you'll want to reduce artificially sweat foods and even swea…

> to create a "new normal" or new baseline where an e.g. strawberry is sweat again.

Just an interesting story.

About 5 years ago, I tried to cut out all processed carbs from my diet.

After several months, I was away from home and I had to eat something---the only thing open was a Dunkin Donuts. I ordered an egg-white sandwich on a plain English muffin, and for kicks I took a bite out of the English muffin.

Holy shit. It tasted super sweet!!

I can't be sure, but I assume it had refined sugar added to it to improve its palatability. Made me think about everything that goes into fast foods...

Re: WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

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I'm super dubious about their conclusions here. Fat people drink diet soda because they are trying to avoid sugar. Diet soda actually tastes damn good these days, there isn't really a reason to drink regular soda.

They are trying to replicate the assault on your taste buds that is sugar soda. They've gotten pretty good at it. The problem is that the levels of sweetness, acidity, salinity, carbonation etc. in diet soda have become normalized. People give these dessert drinks to children, and drink it like it's water. You know how overpoweringly strong some chocolate mousse can be? The kind where you can't finish a tiny slice of…

> Ask someone from 100 years ago to sweeten a glass of lemonade "to taste" and you'd get something so weak that a consumer of diet soda would mock it like the meme "hint of hint of lime" or "transported on a truck near strawberries" flavors of LaCroix.

This is quiet a suspicious claim if you've studied food or beverage history. We have cocktail recipes dating back 150 years, and punch recipes dating back almost 500. They are almost universally sweeter than today. Similarly food recipes also used a good deal more sugar. Some of this was no doubt to cover off flavors, less sweet varieties, and for the preservative power of sugar. You're going to need some citations that the normalization is the problem behavior.

Re: WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

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I fully agree. The main argument is that if you use sweeteners you will eat more sugar, so it is worse than sugar. So basically don't eat the non-poison because it will cause you to eat poison, so instead eat the poison itself. Also, there is no concrete evidence that sweeteners are bad for one's health, it's more the feeling of 'chemicals' are always bad. Sugar is clearly bad and causes obesity and diabetes. The cho…

Sugar is not poison or "clearly bad". Sucrose is bad when eaten on its own, specifically in the abscence of fibre and other macronutrients that bring the GI down.

It is not bad if one has self-control and eats a small amount of it, but that is really the case for most bad substances like alcohol, weed, etc.

If one is out of control eating sugar it is clearly going to have bad consequences. The immediate consequences will be obesity and bad teeth. The long-term would be diabetes, and there are definitely others as well.

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Agree. The lede "Don't consume artificial sweeteners" reads like "they're poison". They're not. The better title should have been "Artificial Sweetener Use Is Not A Long Term Weight Management Strategy". Not that anybody actually reads or pays attention to these things when they're wolfing down a bag of fritos; but still to the person at What-a-burger getting an 1100 calorie meal - they're probably better off opting…

We now know that the intestines have 'taste buds' that can detect sweetness. There's a theory, and I don't know how tested it is at present, that the body uses these detectors to control the digestion process. Within this theory, the presence of the artificial sweeteners may encourage the body to work harder to scavenge calories from your digestive tract. The upshot of this model is that if you eat a burger with a gl…

So I could be totally off, but I think the calories listed on food are derived from the Atwater factors of Carbs:4kc/g, Protein:4kc/g, and Fat:9kc/g.
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