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Re: Mental Liquidity

#91
> It might sound crazy, but I think a good rule of thumb is that your strongest convictions have the highest chance of being wrong or incomplete, if only because they are the hardest beliefs to challenge, update, and abandon when necessary.

I strongly disagree with this, unless we are only talking about beliefs that are about facts of the universe.

For example, my strongest belief is that all people have an equal right to exist and pursue their own purpose... this is not a belief about the facts of the universe, but about my own morality. I don't think it has a chance to be 'wrong'

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#92

I just finished the Einstein biography by Walter I. and found Einsteins stubbornness quite entertaining. He knew about this trait, accepted it as an effect of ageing and even was making jokes about it. He simply disliked some facts about quantum m. and allowed himself to pursue a rather fruitless endeavour for many years. He knew that this kind of stubbornness would kill the career of a younger scientist but he could…

You're quite right. Science requires the skepticism to apply the stress to theories needed to make them strong. I'm assuming Einstein tried to raise objections using evidence to the contrary and alternative explanations.

Along with Podolsky and Rosen he formulated one of the original quantum thought experiments to challenge the accepted conventions: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein%E2%80%93Podolsky%E2...

This in turn inspired Bell's theorem, and eventually quantum information theory.

Re: Mental Liquidity

#93

> Be careful what beliefs you let become part of your identity. “I have a tight enough knowledge and grasp of my beliefs to intentionally control my sense of identity” is a fascinating belief to turn into an identity.

This might be relevant: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-authorship

According to the Kegan theory, it's possible. I'd be fascinated to see it if anyone knows of a study that demonstrates self authorship in a population of real people.

Re: Mental Liquidity

#94
post #87

> Albert Einstein hated the idea of quantum physics. Einstein came up with most of what physicists now recognize as the essential features of quantum physics. He was not anti quantum, he just believed randomness could not be a fundamental feature of nature.

Einstein also had a bunch of real, substantial objections.

One of the big ones had to do with whether the "fields" formulation was valid and primary. One of the issues is that if you follow the fields formulations that Einstein believed in out to conclusion you get things like "atomic oribtals never decay".

Which, of course, is obviously wrong. And an example of one of the reasons why Bohr is considered to have won his debates with Einstein.

Except

Einstein was right! We now know that when you isolate an atom, it's atomic orbital decay gets slower and slower the more you isolate it.

The problem at the time was that all of the experiments that could be run were statistical aggregations and obscured the nature of single state quantum systems.

Re: Mental Liquidity

#95

> Be careful what beliefs you let become part of your identity. “I have a tight enough knowledge and grasp of my beliefs to intentionally control my sense of identity” is a fascinating belief to turn into an identity.

This might be relevant: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-authorship According to the Kegan theory, it's possible. I'd be fascinated to see it if anyone knows of a study that demonstrates self authorship in a population of real people.

I’ve yet to hear anything akin to self authorship from someone that didn’t have a book/seminar/consultancy to sell.

It’s a somewhat amusing thought that there is this human phenomenon wherein we can transcend nature, nurture, the id, the ego, the superego, biology and chemistry — and overwhelmingly those that achieve this enlightened state coincidentally tend to end up as self-help bloggers and motivational speakers.

Re: Mental Liquidity

#96
post #7

It’s easy to forget how difficult learning is, for us as individuals and as flocks in formation. Pick any topic and it’s likely it took you years to learn well. So simply switching out beliefs embedded in that topic requires overwriting years of patterns and synapses in sync. Where Kuhn is so helpful in understanding that even scientists have immense difficulty, if not vigorous myopia, stuck with wrong beliefs. Parad…

It's so much so that I would almost define intelligence as the ability to "switch out beliefs".

The geologists that died disbelieving in plate tectonics weren’t free of intelligence. The very systems that allow us to find patterns are also liable to get stuck with seeing certain patterns.

Not only is it impossible with current human knowledge to construct an infallible theory that predicts everything we encounter, it is also impossible with current human physiology never to cling to wrong ideas in the face of counter evidence. When examining our rationality, we must not only admit our data are incomplete and our theories flawed, but we ourselves might be thinking foolishly.

Re: Mental Liquidity

#97
post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, most people shouldn't do that in most cases, because they aren't qualified to understand the evidence presented to them. Nor are the hypotheses they're testing their own. Valuable hypotheses arise from evidence - not vice versa. This is why juries in complex cases need so much time to be walked through subject matter by expert witnesses, and why standards of evidence are applied to what they are and aren't…

The above was only a case against wishful thinking and rationalization. Of course expert testimony is still some form of evidence. The point is not to willfully ignore or reinterpret the evidence because you don't like the direction it is pointing at. It is worth citing the Litany of Gendlin: What is true is already so. Owning up to it doesn't make it worse. Not being open about it doesn't make it go away. And becaus…

What was that old definition of ideology, an unreal relation to real facts?

Re: Mental Liquidity

#98
post #9

One of the biggest beliefs I keep struggling with is the need to be perfect. I've been jamming away for many many weekends on a side project that literally was done. I just kept adding tiny tweaks left and right, until I literally just now launched it ( https://amee.la ). Nothing ground breaking, and in the end nothing that needed to have so much perfectionism around. The belief of having to need something perfect is…

When I do this, rather than thinking of it as some kind of mistake or failing, I think of it as an experiment or learning experience.

Re: Mental Liquidity

#99

> It might sound crazy, but I think a good rule of thumb is that your strongest convictions have the highest chance of being wrong or incomplete, if only because they are the hardest beliefs to challenge, update, and abandon when necessary. I strongly disagree with this, unless we are only talking about beliefs that are about facts of the universe. For example, my strongest belief is that all people have an equal rig…

I believe that knowing and believe are two different things ;)

Belief is far stronger - that's why people do things all the time they themselves at one point "knew" they couldn't do.

If you start with a flawed belief - things won't improve from there. You'll ending "knowing" a whole lot of stuff that reinforces your flawed belief - simply glossing/ignoring/downplaying the facts that don't support... this becomes a bit of feedback loop after awhile.

So either learn to let go of your beliefs and adapt or at least don't firmly establish beliefs until after you know enough stuff to decide for yourself what to believe.

I reevaluate mine all the time and I'm not wrong on of my strong convictions - albeit from my point of view, which I've made as broad as possible but I'm still human.

My highest beliefs today are built upon a foundation of information, learning and mistakes - I may state a belief with a single sentence but I can write books about why I've arrived at that belief.

I don't that's morality - I sometimes do things I "know" to be immoral, when the justification warrants it, I've never knowingly decided to believe something I know is wrong - even if I was forced, I'd only pretend to believe at best.

In college I'd cheat on a test tho if I thought it the only way I'd pass - bc I believed passing was more important than the test... maybe it's a bad example of immorality.

Anyways, I completely agree with Cortesoft - I'm settling on the understanding that all people everywhere are fundamentally important, collectively and individually.

Allowing and empowering all people to live their best lives is in all of our best interest. I've gone further even than equal right to existence and yet I'm supremely confident.

I think this rant also rather effectively demonstrates exactly what the OP was saying about our strongest convictions.

An incorrect fundamental belief - like say I believed the earth was flat, that belief would be implicit in all that I believe after that, just part of my world view and muddling up everything I think about anything - I wouldn't even be aware of that.

Mental liquidity. Fantastic.

Otherwise knowledge can be an immovable trap that becomes harder to avoid/escape the more stuff you know.

Scientists are great examples of this - if it can't be scientifically methoidized it doesn't exist and therefore must be explainable within the framework they already know, bc that's always right ;)

Re: Mental Liquidity

#100

Mental flexibility would be a better term but of course finance people rarely perceive much outside their own bubble.

I disagree.

Liquidity implies the frame of fluid dynamics, just like data liquidity.

Bringing physics to science is as useful in the mind as it is in software.

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