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World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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I do wish we could overcome our squeamishness about nuclear. Because our climate circumstances are indeed dangerous. And in my opinion, they're quite a bit more dangerous than nuclear power would be, if we committed to scaling it up with a reasonable balance of safety and cost-effectiveness. It is only expensive because we hold it to a much higher standard of safety than any other power source. And understandably so,…

If we're not moralizing, shouldn't this be if the cost-benefit analysis comes out sufficiently positive then we should commit to scaling it up?

Yes. I am not certain. I have the opinions I've given in my post, and a perception that a legitimate cost-benefit debate has been cut short by moralizing.

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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What I find strange is that people are actively building a zoo for themselves. The population could have been very happy and rich with around 1 billion people — less garbage, less pollution, less extinction of species, less monocultures and farms, more biodiversity, sustainable resources, and not as much pressure on ecosystems. But we live on an exological credit card.

If this world with a billion people existed, most likely (7/8th chance) you wouldn't exist. How does never existing make you feel? Unless in this fantasy you'd survive and enjoy the extra resources which comes off as extremely selfish to me.

I guess we should also ramp up industrial livestock production because otherwise those extra billions of animals would never exist.

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It's certainly a strange time to be alive. I was explaining to my child my work in AI, showing him images of himself as a character from his DnD campaign and at the same time am gently introducing him to the increasingly dire state of our climate. For parents of my generation "the talk" is not about sex, it's about the reality that we might not have a future to offer our children. It feels like I am very literally li…

small children do not have the grounding to deal with existential threats -- IMHO it does no good to have a "logical,serious" talk about such things in the first 10+ years

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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It's certainly a strange time to be alive. I was explaining to my child my work in AI, showing him images of himself as a character from his DnD campaign and at the same time am gently introducing him to the increasingly dire state of our climate. For parents of my generation "the talk" is not about sex, it's about the reality that we might not have a future to offer our children. It feels like I am very literally li…

I think that’s a bit dramatic and airing on fear mongering. Other comment responses of OP have better sources, but I do not agree the “future is at risk” because of this. I’m more inclined to closely watch geopolitical events unfold, as US hegemony becomes slowly unstable and potentially untenable. If climate change were really really as dire as some say it is, we wouldn’t be half-assing our way via renewable energie…

> I’m more inclined to closely watch geopolitical events unfold, as US hegemony becomes slowly unstable and potentially untenable.

Wait until you see what millions of people displaced by rising sea levels are going to do to political and economical stability worldwide. That's not going to happen in a far distant future, that's within 30 years. Bangladesh for example is expected to lose 17% of its land by 2050, displacing millions. Miami-Dade county will be 60% under water by 2060 when current projections come to pass.

> If climate change were really really as dire as some say it is, we wouldn’t be half-assing our way via renewable energies which don’t have a power grid or power store nearly capable enough to handle a “fully electric future”

The realities of climate change and its dire consequences aren't some doomsayers internet theories. We're completely half-assing our response to it despite the scientific consensus on the brutal consequences of our doing.

> We should “go nuclear”

That ship has sailed at least 20 years ago. Starting now with average construction times of 10 years plus they would come too late to make a difference.

Renewables are cheaper to build and faster to construct so that's were the world is heading.

https://www.iea.org/news/renewable-power-on-course-to-shatte...

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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It's certainly a strange time to be alive. I was explaining to my child my work in AI, showing him images of himself as a character from his DnD campaign and at the same time am gently introducing him to the increasingly dire state of our climate. For parents of my generation "the talk" is not about sex, it's about the reality that we might not have a future to offer our children. It feels like I am very literally li…

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Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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I find myself losing hope for humanity when I observe a significant portion of society in Germany, for instance, either voting for or intending to vote for a party known as the 'Alternative für Deutschland'. This party is primarily defined by what it opposes. Its supporters are often frustrated and resistant to evidence that their meat consumption contributes to climate change, or that fossil fuels exacerbate this gl…

> Engaging in rational debates with these individuals proves challenging, as they often dismiss any evidence presented as a sign that you are 'woke', deluded, or part of a clandestine group intent on their destruction.

I would debate you, by pointing out a lot of "green" policies disproportionately affect the working class, including AfD voters.

> frustrated and resistant to evidence that their meat consumption contributes to climate change

Start with banning private jets and asking the very wealthy to curtail their carbon footprint. Then asking everyday people to change their habits might be less than hollow words. Once the very privileged start leading by example, then others might follow. But of course, they won't do.

Germany's energy policy, eschewing nuclear, has not brought in a stable renewable energy system. It has destabilised Germany's political standing and made Germany overreliant on Russian gas.

I consider myself an environmentalist, which is why I don't spend time asking people to wear hair shirts.

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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I find myself losing hope for humanity when I observe a significant portion of society in Germany, for instance, either voting for or intending to vote for a party known as the 'Alternative für Deutschland'. This party is primarily defined by what it opposes. Its supporters are often frustrated and resistant to evidence that their meat consumption contributes to climate change, or that fossil fuels exacerbate this gl…

It’s that the green movement is completely off the rails.

Remember that they caused the stopping of nuclear power plant.

Climate change is not a pressing issue, with the rise of renewable we will clean up our act way before it cause serious issues.

With regard to conservative voice (as a former liberal) I can tell you it’s the left voice that doesn’t understand the conservatives and the value they bring.

Changing things imply destruction, and the desire to change everything fast has consequences, thus a return to traditions has a lot of merits. I encourage you to look past your prejudice against them and see what is missing in your vision.

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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The warming of the oceans could lead to the following consequences: - Coral reef collapse and loss of marine biodiversity. - Accelerated sea-level rise, resulting in coastal flooding and displacement of populations. - Ocean acidification, harming shell-forming organisms and marine ecosystems. - Disruption of ocean currents, leading to altered weather patterns and increased extreme weather events, potentially causing…

ME: "Release of hydrogen sulfide (H2S) from warming ocean sediments and decaying organic matter, a potential extinction event." Is this a realistic possibility? GPT-4: The phenomenon you're describing is associated with an event referred to as a "Canfield Ocean" or "Strangelove Ocean." The hypothesis is named after paleoceanographer Donald Canfield, who proposed that several mass extinctions in Earth's history might…

Maybe controversial, but still possible.

ME: "Release of hydrogen sulfide (H2S) from warming ocean sediments and decaying organic matter, a potential extinction event." Is this a realistic possibility?

GPT-4:

Hydrogen sulfide (H2S) release from ocean sediments and decaying organic matter is indeed a plausible mechanism that could cause significant environmental changes. This process is often associated with a scenario referred to as "Canfield Oceans" or "Canfield Ocean events."

Paleontologist Peter Ward, for instance, has proposed that hydrogen sulfide emissions from stagnant oceans could have contributed to several mass extinction events in Earth's history. In such scenarios, increased oceanic warmth and decreased circulation might have led to anoxic conditions (lack of oxygen) in the deeper ocean. These anoxic conditions, in turn, would allow sulfur bacteria to thrive, which would generate hydrogen sulfide as a metabolic by-product. The hydrogen sulfide would then be released into the atmosphere, where it could cause significant environmental disruption, affecting life on both land and sea.

However, it is important to note that these scenarios are not straightforward, and various factors would need to align for such an event to occur. There are many potential feedback mechanisms in Earth's climate system that could either amplify or dampen the effects of increased hydrogen sulfide production.

In the context of contemporary climate change, we are indeed witnessing warming oceans and increases in oceanic dead zones (areas of low oxygen that can support sulfur bacteria). However, whether this could lead to an extinction-level hydrogen sulfide release is still a matter of scientific debate. Current research suggests that while an increase in anoxic conditions and dead zones is cause for concern due to their direct impact on marine life, a Canfield Ocean event is not considered a high-probability outcome of current climate change trends.

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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I find myself losing hope for humanity when I observe a significant portion of society in Germany, for instance, either voting for or intending to vote for a party known as the 'Alternative für Deutschland'. This party is primarily defined by what it opposes. Its supporters are often frustrated and resistant to evidence that their meat consumption contributes to climate change, or that fossil fuels exacerbate this gl…

It’s that the green movement is completely off the rails. Remember that they caused the stopping of nuclear power plant. Climate change is not a pressing issue, with the rise of renewable we will clean up our act way before it cause serious issues. With regard to conservative voice (as a former liberal) I can tell you it’s the left voice that doesn’t understand the conservatives and the value they bring. Changing thi…

>we will clean up our act way before it cause serious issues.

There is already enough CO2 in the atmosphere to cause serious issues. It's not an instantaneous process, but at this point it will happen.

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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> But wasn't that always the case? Nope and it isn't the case now. End of the world cults are a common feature of human societies, pretty much all of them have/had them. My personal guess is that egos are so big that people can't imagine a world after them so it's easier to say the world is going to end.

Yes but climate disaster isn't a cult. There's the crazy guy who thinks Zeus is going to strike us all down and then there's the oceanographer out there with actual thermometers and log books saying hey this water is getting really damn warm. Will be the end of life on earth? Not at all. Will it be the total extinction of humans? Probably not. Will it be far more war, starvation, death, and human suffering than we ha…

There is absolute nothing to suggest catastrophic or even rapid climate change. Yes we can detect human activity that is changing the planet and will have impacts on the climate. Preaching that it will result in any more suffering than the current or a previous state of the world is completely faith based without evidence.
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