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CIA, MKUltra, and the cover-up of U.S. germ warfare in the Korean war (2022)

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Re: CIA, MKUltra, and the cover-up of U.S. germ warfare in the Korean war (2022)

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Post by rocket_surgeron »

kornhole wrote: post #85
KennyBlanken wrote: post #8

I stopped reading when the author categorized "prisoners of war being told to read confessions over Chinese propaganda radio" as "testifying publicly", almost at the start of the piece: > It was the propaganda version of an incendiary bomb. In 1952 U.S. Air Force and Marine flyers, shot down during the Korean War, testified publicly that they had been ordered to drop biological weapons (BW) on China and North Korea.…

You should have kept reading. The article goes into quite a bit of detail on this debate and how the CIA was preparing before their confessions to explain that they were forced to say things. There is a rich story around many people and their different accounts.

The US government had two years of POW "confessions" trickling out before the POW confession parade started in 1952.

Of course they would have prepared. They knew what was coming.

If one believes these confessions THEY MUST ALSO believe confessions obtained under police torture, right?

Re: CIA, MKUltra, and the cover-up of U.S. germ warfare in the Korean war (2022)

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Post by xvilka »

daemoens wrote: post #72
kfrzcode wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, how does history change? I think perhaps the narrative, the evidence on-hand, primary sources, etc. could all be considered and as a body of historical evidence we could say the understanding from our perspective continues to evolve; but there's no world in which the history changes. Events, causality, arrow of time, etc.

I think you are being too pedantic about the word “change”. No one assumed he meant someone went back with a time machine and literally changed history.

We would never know if that happens though.

Re: CIA, MKUltra, and the cover-up of U.S. germ warfare in the Korean war (2022)

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Post by dukeofdoom »

GartzenDeHaes wrote: post #47

Biological weapons are not used by the US due to practicality, not morality. 1. It's difficult to manufacture biological agents in large quantities. 2. It's hard to store biological agents for long periods of time, since living things tend to die. 3. It's hard to disperse biological agents over a large area. Spray tanks require flying at low altitude at slow speeds, or multiple deployments at high speeds. Munitions w…

Do we really know what the current capabilities are. It would be top secret. It's been decades of research. I would expect many of these issues have been worked around.

I used to think AI was fictional pipe dream. Yet it came to be.

> 1. It's difficult to manufacture biological agents in large quantities.

Yet the covid vaccine was manufactured in huge quantities in short time.

> 2. It's hard to store biological agents for long periods of time, since living things tend to die.

The covid vaccine was kept cold storage of -60, and it was good for 18 months.

>3. It's hard to disperse biological agents over a large area.

This would not be an issue for a respiratory virus, that targets a specific ethnic group.

> 4. It's easy to protect troops in the field from biological agents and all major countries maintain and exercise the capability to do so.

Yet almost everyone got infected by covid.

> 5. Biological agents are slow acting and unreliable in their effect.

Covid was fast acting. Yet not that deadly. So i suppose if it was more deadly this too would fall.

Re: CIA, MKUltra, and the cover-up of U.S. germ warfare in the Korean war (2022)

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Post by motohagiography »

Reading this, my meta conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theories are rarely false, it's just that talking about them at all disqualifies you from being invited to participate in them. Your option is either to be a practical conspirator by joining in, or remain on the outside as a just theorist.

Re: CIA, MKUltra, and the cover-up of U.S. germ warfare in the Korean war (2022)

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Post by chii »

kornhole wrote: post #82
GartzenDeHaes wrote: post #47

Biological weapons are not used by the US due to practicality, not morality. 1. It's difficult to manufacture biological agents in large quantities. 2. It's hard to store biological agents for long periods of time, since living things tend to die. 3. It's hard to disperse biological agents over a large area. Spray tanks require flying at low altitude at slow speeds, or multiple deployments at high speeds. Munitions w…

A few engineered viruses can go a long way cheaply. Problem is you cannot control the spread. You need to have a vaccine ready for the blowback.

not to mention a virus could evolve to evade the vaccine too.

Re: CIA, MKUltra, and the cover-up of U.S. germ warfare in the Korean war (2022)

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Post by lyu07282 »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #89
_kbh_ wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Bioweapon labs in Ukraine is one of Putin's stated reasons for the Invasion. Allegedly work was being done on targeting specific ethnicities, like slavs. Ukraine was a very politically corrupt country, for a long time. Would not surprise me if this was true. This is one of Putins and his supporters Krokodil inspired fever dreams that never existed, Russia also said they wouldn’t invade the day before they did. They…

I base my opinon on the following: 1) Gain of function research was being done in China by Ecohealth Alliance, funded under a program headed by Fauci. The most logical motivation for this is bioweapon research. Testimony to this fact was solicited by Rand Paul in congress. Covid was made in a lab. 2) The US did send Al Qaeda prisoners to Black sites in Eastern Europe for enhanced interrogation (torture). This establi…

Absolute gibberish. But on a meta level it's really scary how seemingly directed disinformation by a hostile power is so effective in a large population in the western world and we still don't have any effective way to combat it at all. It's like the potential of a third world war and a significant part of our civilian population's are allied with the enemy.

Re: CIA, MKUltra, and the cover-up of U.S. germ warfare in the Korean war (2022)

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Post by operatingthetan »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #87
orangepurple wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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This is the most likely scenario at this point. Not sure why you're being downvoted.

> bioweapon

That part? Really?

If you're downvoting, provide a citation...

Re: CIA, MKUltra, and the cover-up of U.S. germ warfare in the Korean war (2022)

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

GartzenDeHaes wrote: post #47

Biological weapons are not used by the US due to practicality, not morality. 1. It's difficult to manufacture biological agents in large quantities. 2. It's hard to store biological agents for long periods of time, since living things tend to die. 3. It's hard to disperse biological agents over a large area. Spray tanks require flying at low altitude at slow speeds, or multiple deployments at high speeds. Munitions w…

Pretty much none of these limitations apply if you can tune the agent to be contagious and harmless (except for the target).

Re: CIA, MKUltra, and the cover-up of U.S. germ warfare in the Korean war (2022)

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Post by [deleted] »

Larrikin wrote: post #69
bluepizza wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is 1945, before the decades long alliance and best friendship between US and Japan, before Internet, computers, and most electronics. Americans can't even read the signposts in the streets, let alone find and interpret the results of extremely secret operations.

Are you implying that in 1945 there were no people who spoke Japanese and English and Japan itself didn't have decades of emmigration to all parts of the world? The US committed one of its greatest crimes against humanity during the war against the huge number of Japanese Americans in the US.

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