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‘Tired’, ‘lonely’ and hated by locals: the reality for the digital nomad

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Re: ‘Tired’, ‘lonely’ and hated by locals: the reality for the digital nomad

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Post by throw1623 »

witchesindublin wrote: post #23
manuelabeledo wrote: post #14

This looks like non news to me. People don't "hate" digital nomads (and the article itself does not even back up this claim from the headline). In fact, most people do not even notice them most of the time, as they don't make up for a significant percentage of the population anywhere. There will be always small and very vocal groups, complaining about effectively irrelevant things like this. That is not newsworthy. >…

There are problems with tensions between locals and digital nomads in several places, especially Portugal, but also in a lot of major cities where they are having a similar effect to Airbnb. A big issue is the strength of the US dollar simply makes it impossible for anyone else to compete and attracts so many Americans.

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Re: ‘Tired’, ‘lonely’ and hated by locals: the reality for the digital nomad

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beerpls wrote: post #56

Unlike others, i’m going to say I get it. I had a stranger recently come up to me and ask to come to an event I was inviting others to. No problem! Come along But the thing is the dude was very shy and awkward. Which isn’t a problem, but definitely cast a bit of a cloud over our social event All of a sudden I was managing him, taking time and focus out of my night to make him feel welcome. I’m sure he didn’t intend i…

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Re: ‘Tired’, ‘lonely’ and hated by locals: the reality for the digital nomad

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Post by balls187 »

witchesindublin wrote: post #83
balls187 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most Americans have only ever met ethnic minorities who have assimilated into being Americans. That would not be considered an ethnic difference in many racial philosophies. America deserves it's fair share of criticism, but to criticize America as having no/limited experience with diverse cultures shows pretty gross ignorance.

It obvious you have limited interaction with people from around the world since you seem to have no knowledge about how diverse many other parts of the world are, with much better results too. I actually meet a lot of Indians who critise the US over places like Europe and South East Asia because of the lack of mixing between races/ethnicities in the US. I often get Americans in East Asia who don't understand that eth…

> you seem to have no knowledge about how diverse many other parts of the world are, with much better results too.

It's hard to pin point your opinion because it keeps shifting--are you saying the US has racism? Are you saying people in the US don't mix with other races? Are you saying American's don't have experience with other cultures?

Re: ‘Tired’, ‘lonely’ and hated by locals: the reality for the digital nomad

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Post by balls187 »

witchesindublin wrote: post #87
chinchilla2020 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've lived and worked in the US and Germany. I've travelled all over Europe at this point (except Italy, notably). Most of Europe is not very diverse. It took me a while to overcome the culture shock of what is essentially a European monoculture. The most diverse country I encountered in Europe was probably Spain. What do you mean by "mexican border"? I think you are talking about preconceptions based on the news cyc…

Northern Europe is much less diverse and Southern Europe, but there are also parts of the US which are similarly less diverse (especially once you have taken out Hispanics from the equation who are often white or slightly non-white). American culture is also a monoculture - people forget that the "immigrants" in the US are actually highly assimilated into American culture, often moreso that the immigrants in Europe -…

> black people are a good example

Black people aren't immigrants. They were taken from their land, had their culture stripped away from them, and sold as property.

And if you're talking about the recent wave of immigrants from Africa, they have maintained their own identity and culture in addition to adopting american customs.

Re: ‘Tired’, ‘lonely’ and hated by locals: the reality for the digital nomad

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Post by pxc »

witchesindublin wrote: post #90
pxc wrote: post #81

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Where can I read about this, about other sorts modes of integration?

Read up on the history of immigration to Europe, Africa and Asia. You act as if the US is the only place where immigration has ever happened.

I was wondering if you recommended any specific texts or resources.

Re: ‘Tired’, ‘lonely’ and hated by locals: the reality for the digital nomad

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Post by witchesindublin »

chinchilla2020 wrote: post #84
witchesindublin wrote: post #49

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This never makes any sense to me. Have you been to any country in Southern Europe? Parts of those are akin to the Mexican border with nationalities from all over the world - for example Portugal has a half-Indian prime minister and most of its immigrants are from Latin America, Middle East and Africa, with a number from China via Macau.

I've lived and worked in the US and Germany. I've travelled all over Europe at this point (except Italy, notably). Most of Europe is not very diverse. It took me a while to overcome the culture shock of what is essentially a European monoculture. The most diverse country I encountered in Europe was probably Spain. What do you mean by "mexican border"? I think you are talking about preconceptions based on the news cyc…

Just to add another point. You forget that the minorities in the US have assimilated into American culture. If you put a British Black person and Black American into a same room, or Indian American and British Indian, they would have a lot of cultural differences based on their nationality and not their race. Assimilating into America is no different to assimilating into Germany or Mexico.

Re: ‘Tired’, ‘lonely’ and hated by locals: the reality for the digital nomad

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Post by witchesindublin »

balls187 wrote: post #94
witchesindublin wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Northern Europe is much less diverse and Southern Europe, but there are also parts of the US which are similarly less diverse (especially once you have taken out Hispanics from the equation who are often white or slightly non-white). American culture is also a monoculture - people forget that the "immigrants" in the US are actually highly assimilated into American culture, often moreso that the immigrants in Europe -…

> black people are a good example Black people aren't immigrants. They were taken from their land, had their culture stripped away from them, and sold as property. And if you're talking about the recent wave of immigrants from Africa, they have maintained their own identity and culture in addition to adopting american customs.

British Blacks.

And also just to point out that racial minorities have been mixing in Europe, Africa and Asia for thousands of years. Look at immigration in the Roman era for example.

Re: ‘Tired’, ‘lonely’ and hated by locals: the reality for the digital nomad

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Post by witchesindublin »

balls187 wrote: post #93
witchesindublin wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It obvious you have limited interaction with people from around the world since you seem to have no knowledge about how diverse many other parts of the world are, with much better results too. I actually meet a lot of Indians who critise the US over places like Europe and South East Asia because of the lack of mixing between races/ethnicities in the US. I often get Americans in East Asia who don't understand that eth…

> you seem to have no knowledge about how diverse many other parts of the world are, with much better results too. It's hard to pin point your opinion because it keeps shifting--are you saying the US has racism? Are you saying people in the US don't mix with other races? Are you saying American's don't have experience with other cultures?

All of them.

I often attend a lot of events where you get diaspora from across the world, and one thing that all the Indians will agree on is that Indian American don't mix with natives as much as Indians in other parts of the world. This would be a type of racism in most European and Asian racism philosophies.

The other point is that most minorities in the US are highly assimilated into American culture and American norms. And most Americans have had very little experience of anything more drastic than Canada or possibly Hispanics (which is itself a very American concept). Americans drastically tend to underestimate just how different other cultures are and quickly jump to racism - I've been in a lot of situations in third countries where Indian Americans and other Americans call racism on "problems" they have that are considered normal in places like the UK or Australia.

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Post by witchesindublin »

manuelabeledo wrote: post #85
witchesindublin wrote: post #70

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16,000 digital nomads that need individual housing, in a culture where multiple generations of families live together.

This is nonsense, and definitely not a thing in Portugal.

It's famous that the Portuguese and Spanish live with their parents until 30s (increasingly 40s) and usually close to their grand parents.

Re: ‘Tired’, ‘lonely’ and hated by locals: the reality for the digital nomad

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Post by witchesindublin »

pxc wrote: post #95
witchesindublin wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Read up on the history of immigration to Europe, Africa and Asia. You act as if the US is the only place where immigration has ever happened.

I was wondering if you recommended any specific texts or resources.

https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/immigration-diversity-...
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