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Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by andrewmcwatters »

For people buying new cars, yeah I guess I understand that being true. America prefers SUVs, but it's an interesting statistic.

The Corolla is purchased by those who want an affordable sedan, as well as the affluent who don't want the unreliability of a German luxury car or a Tesla and are putting their money in other things like their home and marketable securities.

The Ford F-150 is a vehicle used widely by commercial organizations as well as American retail consumers who can afford one.

All of this leads me to think if you want to know what popular vehicle sales really are, I suspect you have to look at the used car market and normalize by model, removing years or generations to understand what the average consumer is really buying.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by ck2 »

cheeze wrote: post #82

As a cyclist, there isn't any car on the road that scares me more than these. The drivers are worse than aggressive truck drivers. Given that it's the best selling car, maybe it's just that people are generally horrible at driving? At least in my area the drivers of these seem an order of magnitude more clueless than any others.

I've often wished there was some kind of tiny beacon cyclists and pedestrians could carry to electronically alert those kinds of cars/drivers.

Yeah it's incorrectly shifting the responsibility to the victim but at this point whatever prevents injury/death/stress.

The problem is it would be abused to trick drivers.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

#93

Post by asdff »

cheeze wrote: post #82

As a cyclist, there isn't any car on the road that scares me more than these. The drivers are worse than aggressive truck drivers. Given that it's the best selling car, maybe it's just that people are generally horrible at driving? At least in my area the drivers of these seem an order of magnitude more clueless than any others.

Big fast car with an automatic transmission is a recipe for you getting forced out of your lane by someone in over 5000lbs of metal who thinks their time is more important than considering your life by changing lanes to pass. O-60 entirely silently in 3 seconds, you won't even realize you are going fast enough to kill someone instantly.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

#94

Post by seanmcdirmid »

jacurtis wrote: post #29
xenadu02 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people (like myself) prefer a sporty ride. They're really fun to drive. I own one and don't regret it. Obviously no car will appeal to everyone but clearly Tesla has a market despite the nay-sayers. edit: The purchase experience beats traditional car makers hands down. No high pressure sales tactics or scams like rust preventer. Nay-sayers also under-rate Tesla's mobile service. Go into the app, create a ticket,…

I love when people say this. Because it tells me that they have never actually driven a sports car before. When tesla owners say "sporty" they mean acceleration. Yes Teslas have mad acceleration. Not disputing that. But thats not a sporty drive. If anything thats more what you would get from a muscle car, which offers pure torque at the cost of basically everything else, which is what Tesla offers. Tesla isn't a spor…

> When tesla owners say "sporty" they mean acceleration.

When you live in a city, this is the only sporty thing you can experience. You aren't going to speed down the freeway at 90 MPH, if ever, you aren't going to practice drifting or anything fun like that.

It is a "sporty" sedan experience that is limited to leaving other cars in the dust as you quickly speed up to the 30 MPH speed limit. Oh, and it is still a sedan, so I can do that while taking my kid to his Chinese class.

Tesla made and will make an actual sports car (the Tesla Roadster and its successor), so it is not like that segment has been forgotten for EVs. BUT there just isn't a huge market for those, or maybe it is better served by the cheaper WRX or BRZ (a $30k small sport EV roadster? Ya, I could buy that).

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by nawgz »

cheeze wrote: post #82

As a cyclist, there isn't any car on the road that scares me more than these. The drivers are worse than aggressive truck drivers. Given that it's the best selling car, maybe it's just that people are generally horrible at driving? At least in my area the drivers of these seem an order of magnitude more clueless than any others.

People are generally horrible at driving. But then giving them a big, fast SUV with absurd levels of acceleration available is a horrible choice, and so hearing that this is the best seller should definitely strike fear into our hearts.

Corollas are tiny and like a relic of a bygone era. These new vehicles shouldn’t be more agile on top of being way bigger.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

#96

Post by soperj »

asdff wrote: post #93
cheeze wrote: post #82

As a cyclist, there isn't any car on the road that scares me more than these. The drivers are worse than aggressive truck drivers. Given that it's the best selling car, maybe it's just that people are generally horrible at driving? At least in my area the drivers of these seem an order of magnitude more clueless than any others.

Big fast car with an automatic transmission is a recipe for you getting forced out of your lane by someone in over 5000lbs of metal who thinks their time is more important than considering your life by changing lanes to pass. O-60 entirely silently in 3 seconds, you won't even realize you are going fast enough to kill someone instantly.

They're definitely not silent at 60.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by asdff »

blindriver wrote: post #87
cheeze wrote: post #82

As a cyclist, there isn't any car on the road that scares me more than these. The drivers are worse than aggressive truck drivers. Given that it's the best selling car, maybe it's just that people are generally horrible at driving? At least in my area the drivers of these seem an order of magnitude more clueless than any others.

People said the same thing about the Prius when it was the most popular car.

Except that prius took 10 seconds to go to 60mph and this tesla takes 3. Lead foot + silent car + crazy fast 0-60 = people driving like a GTA game.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by a1371 »

cheeze wrote: post #82

As a cyclist, there isn't any car on the road that scares me more than these. The drivers are worse than aggressive truck drivers. Given that it's the best selling car, maybe it's just that people are generally horrible at driving? At least in my area the drivers of these seem an order of magnitude more clueless than any others.

I have noticed this too and I feel it's because of the higher acceleration. It may give the drivers the feeling that they can insert themselves in even closer encounters because the car is more responsive.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

qball wrote: post #63
tjohns wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's the difference between a mechanical drive and an emotional one. I'm sorry, what? Who's to say a linear acceleration can't be an "emotional drive"? This is pure personal preference. You're extrapolating based on your own opinions, and I guarantee isn't a universal sentiment. Personally, I'd want a electric car that behaves like an electric car , not trying to simulate a transmission that doesn't exist. This h…

>This has the same vibe as "mount a speaker to play fake engine sounds on a near-silent EV, because that's what people who grew up with muscle cars expect to hear". To be fair, a significant chunk of normal cars have this too. >Who's to say a linear acceleration can't be an "emotional drive"? Sometimes, you want to turn corners too (electric cars have a disadvantage in this area because they're a lot heavier) but in…

After 2024, Mustang will probably just be a crossover EV.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

#100

Post by asdff »

soperj wrote: post #96
asdff wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Big fast car with an automatic transmission is a recipe for you getting forced out of your lane by someone in over 5000lbs of metal who thinks their time is more important than considering your life by changing lanes to pass. O-60 entirely silently in 3 seconds, you won't even realize you are going fast enough to kill someone instantly.

They're definitely not silent at 60.

https://youtu.be/ZTrfpahATpc?t=82

Seems pretty quiet in the cabin getting to 60 in under 2 seconds with the plaid.

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