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Re: Ableton Push 3

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I think my ideal setup is still the Push 2. You’ve got your mouse and keyboard for more tedious workflows and VST usage, and then the Push as an expressive platform to jam with and explore ideas on. Best of both worlds.

It seems like the Push standalone was designed for performers in mind? Would be pretty sweet to not have to bring a laptop up on stage with you, I’d imagine, especially if your setup is modular and otherwise DAW-less.

Re: Ableton Push 3

#93

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>> And I'm a programmer - don't want to imagine the pains that musicians have to go through. Anyone doing it professionally will check all of their plugins/hardware has support for the latest macOS version before updating.

I can promise you there are many, many professional musicians who will be first in line to upgrade their Mac. I’m a professional programmer it’s not like I test if my mouse or keyboard will work with a new windows update.

Maybe amateurs…

Professionals tend to keep a stable system running for as long as possible. The first studio I worked in had a B room that was running OS 9 at a point where OS X had been out for 7 years.

My current setup at home is a 2010 MacMini on v10.13, using a firewire interface. I plan to keep it running as long as possible.

Re: Ableton Push 3

#94
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I find grid based systems like Ableton great for getting short loops together but making the jump to a finished track is a lot harder. I have folders full of sketches I've built up in years of using it but very few things I'd call finished.

What I do to get over this - as soon as I have an 8+ bar loop i like i paste it into Arrangement view so it fills up a 5 minute song, and then I start taking parts out. Gives me a basic “song” to start fleshing out.

I do something similar to this too- sometimes making 2-4 scenes and pasting some basic form in the arrangement.

From there, I see it the way a sculptor might see a slab of rock, and start “carving out” the song.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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I can promise you there are many, many professional musicians who will be first in line to upgrade their Mac. I’m a professional programmer it’s not like I test if my mouse or keyboard will work with a new windows update.

Logically yes, but anyone who’s been doing it for more than a couple years has been burned by an update at least once and won’t easily make that mistake again.

The mistake here is not the apple update but lack of backups.

Re: Ableton Push 3

#96
post #91

I think my ideal setup is still the Push 2. You’ve got your mouse and keyboard for more tedious workflows and VST usage, and then the Push as an expressive platform to jam with and explore ideas on. Best of both worlds. It seems like the Push standalone was designed for performers in mind? Would be pretty sweet to not have to bring a laptop up on stage with you, I’d imagine, especially if your setup is modular and ot…

TBH this looks like the MPC Live (except done with by people with a bit of taste.)

Sketch out things when you're out and about, some simple recordings etc., then bring it back to the studio and just plug it in and have everything there. It's a good plan, and it looks like a great execution, too.

Re: Ableton Push 3

#97

Very cool but surely it can't be long before AI can generate top quality music? Of course people will still keep creating, and I'm sure there will be an 'organic' no-AI movement, but the exciting music tech of the next 10 years is going to be in that space in between the two... (Ableton user since version 4)

You're missing the appeal of self-expression entirely.

"Why learn to play an instrument when you can just buy a CD?"

Re: Ableton Push 3

#98
post #91

I think my ideal setup is still the Push 2. You’ve got your mouse and keyboard for more tedious workflows and VST usage, and then the Push as an expressive platform to jam with and explore ideas on. Best of both worlds. It seems like the Push standalone was designed for performers in mind? Would be pretty sweet to not have to bring a laptop up on stage with you, I’d imagine, especially if your setup is modular and ot…

I think the real power of the stand-alone is being able to take it to inspiring places to write music or even just laying on the sofa and then you can plug in and transfer to the computer later for mixing and in-depth editing.

Re: Ableton Push 3

#99
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Personally, I don't really like the Push platform, having previously owned a Push 2. I can understand the value of it if you're performing live, however the hard reality is that it's a really inefficient way to create electronic music. The mouse and keyboard are simply a lot faster to use. With that said, maybe that's for you. But if you're trying to make advanced productions as quickly as possible, then I really see…

A keyboard and a mouse might be faster in some instances, but they are also far less musically expressive. When it comes to putting emotion into music, I think it is a lot easier to do so with an expressive, physically embodied musical instrument. In terms of speed, I'm also not sure how quickly you can create articulations like vibrato and slides with a mouse and keyboard, but that seems like it would be fairly tedi…

Most instruments have parameters for things like vibrato that you can set quickly by "drawing" them with a mouse under the note in reaper (and probably other daws). Slide isn't really a normal thing with midi, you'd need the instrument plugin to explicitly support it using some sort of parameter, but if one was present it'd be easy to set via the mouse.
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