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Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water storage

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Re: Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water storage

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It must be nice to live in a country that manages their natural resources with an eye towards long-term sustainability.

Isn't Netherlands bound to flood as ocean levels rise?

The Netherlands been claiming land from the sea for centuries and some areas are already well below sea level - I don't think they'll neglect their dykes any time soon.

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We're going to need a lot of desalination plants powered by clean energy.

Problem is that everything needs X powered by clean energy, which means we need both a lot more clean energy and, if we want to slow/stop climate change, to massively reduce our use of fossil fuels... which requires a lot more clean energy. We also, so far, globally have not shown any evidence of replacing fossil fuels with green energy, only supplementing them.

Direct carbon capture, electric vehicles, electric building heat, electric industrial process heat, and desalination are all massive new sectors that need to be powered that are barely on the radar of the existing electric grid.

And we need more power to let emerging economies rise out of poverty, where having electric pumps and washing are truely life-changing from a quality of life perspective.

So we need about 5x more total energy while also shifting from 80% fossil to 0% fossil.

This is why I advocate for nuclear while most people advocate for wind and solar. We need advocates for all clean energy. Nuclear can actually use its own direct low-carbon heat to help with buildings (district heat) and industry, and that heat can also help in desal in some cases, though RO is the preference these days and doesn't really need that much heat input.

Re: Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water storage

#93

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Depends how close farmers are to water sources. They run high speed pumps at night or camouflage them in streams to get by water restrictions. There’s the famous California telephone pole picture too. https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/themarinpost/emimg/1249/S...

I don't understand that telephone pole picture, the ground did not move around the telephone pole surely. I don't understand the graphics either. 1ft/year generally, but slower than that in the most extreme?

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Re: Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water storage

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We pump brine inland to a large flat expendabe plain and flood it to allow the water to evaporate off and the salt to sette. 20-50 years later, pod racing on the salt flat.

I think this causes its own host of issues as there are a load of other nasties such as arsenic etc in seawater which would build up there.

Arsenic in Pod fuel too.

Re: Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water storage

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We pump brine inland to a large flat expendabe plain and flood it to allow the water to evaporate off and the salt to sette. 20-50 years later, pod racing on the salt flat.

I think this causes its own host of issues as there are a load of other nasties such as arsenic etc in seawater which would build up there.

How does that work for e.g. small scale salt farming in many European countries that flood areas with sea water, then harvest the salt after the water has evaporated [0]?

Is it just a case of the scale making it safe?

0: https://www.timeout.com/croatia/things-to-do/ston-salt-works

Re: Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water storage

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Here in the Netherlands they decided to increase the water level of our lakes by 5cm to handle the drought season this year. Since the amount of snowfall in the Alps was lower than normal. https://www.rijkswaterstaat.nl/nieuws/archief/2023/04/hoger-...

Do you have any news how Swiss lakes are affected?

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Can somebody explain why is this downvoted? If 53% decline, what do the other 47% do? How about total storage?

This, and why 1992-2020? How many of these large lakes are distributed in say, Midwest America/Canada. What were the precipitation levels in that region just a few years prior? Why did they need to involve climate models when we have observable data?

They used a technique for water segmentation described in an earlier paper [1]. The validation dataset for that method goes back to 1992...

"All applied images have 30-m spatial resolution and were acquired during October 1, 1992 to October 31, 2018. The period was set with regard to the availability of the validation dataset"

[1] Yao, J. Wang, C. Wang, J.-F. Crétaux, Constructing long-term high-frequency time series of global lake and reservoir areas using Landsat imagery. Remote Sens. Environ.232, 111210 (2019).

Re: Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water storage

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Here in the Netherlands they decided to increase the water level of our lakes by 5cm to handle the drought season this year. Since the amount of snowfall in the Alps was lower than normal. https://www.rijkswaterstaat.nl/nieuws/archief/2023/04/hoger-...

It must be nice to live in a country that manages their natural resources with an eye towards long-term sustainability.

I live in a country with one of the richest water tables in the world. Due to (a forecasted!) drought and lack of planning we're literally running out of water to drink. It's like Saudi Arabia running out of oil, absolutely shameful.

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The intention was to get people to read the main thesis critically. That quote is sort of a tell about the quality of this paper, and the more I dig into this paper the more it confirms this is isn't good science.

Your comments seem more skeptical than critical. Are you saying you believe lakes aren’t losing volume?

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Re: Satellites reveal widespread decline in global lake water storage

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Depends how close farmers are to water sources. They run high speed pumps at night or camouflage them in streams to get by water restrictions. There’s the famous California telephone pole picture too. https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/themarinpost/emimg/1249/S...

I don't understand that telephone pole picture, the ground did not move around the telephone pole surely. I don't understand the graphics either. 1ft/year generally, but slower than that in the most extreme?

They pump ground water that keads to sinking land, 1 foot per year.

The pole is from 1977 or later but shows the historical land level of 1955 and 1925

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