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Where have all the hackers gone?

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Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

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To be honest, it feels like engaging in a cultural war. I don’t want to liken this to any kind of mainstream cultural war, but instead liken it to the old tech cultural wars, like Emacs versus Vim or some shit like that.

I feel like saying positive things about Go is a bit of a fucking minefield, because somebody (especially here on HN) is going to talk about how Go is Awful and Bad and made for stupid people or some shit like that. I’m tired of it. I’m gonna go hang out with the Java developers and the people doing work in Ruby on Rails or PHP.

> Infusion of traditional Business and Capital culture, which traditionally serves smoother-brains, the boring, and the unimaginative.

There’s an entire culture of people in tech who refuse, on some kind of principle, to understand or work with people in business / capital / management unless the people in business / capital / management somehow prove their street cred on the technical side. Like, the people who say that they can’t work for a manager unless the manager could do their job!

This is just a shitty echo of the “wow, startups are hard” cartoon panel. If you see somebody doing management or business poorly, and you think “wow, managers are stupid” then you’re falling into the same trap. If you think, “this is why you need a manager with deep technical expertise” then you’re falling into the same trap, but with extra steps.

If you want to work with people who have deep technical expertise, and you specifically DON’T value people with management or leadership skills (unless they also have technical expertise to justify their existence), then you have fallen into the trap and your attitudes are going to make the team more dysfunctional. You’re going to bring the team into conflict with other teams and with the goals of the business.

Anyway. This article doesn’t just promise flamebait, it seems to relish the flamebait, enjoy the flamebait. It seems to be steeped in the idea that pissing people off is a sign that you’re speaking the truth. I think some people have observed that people who speak the truth often piss people off, and then optimized for it. Goodhart’s Law and all that.

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

#93

Sorry if this is off-topic but I often see in HN (either in articles posted here, or in the comments) lack of empathy. He talks about a "friend" and then proceeds to say things like "To be honest, I suspect he didn't know or think much about them" or "This was not a fruitful conversation". How is that supposed friend, who might very well be aware of this person's blog, going to feel after reading this? Is it a cultur…

>Sorry if this is off-topic but I often see in HN (either in articles posted here, or in the comments) lack of empathy. You are absolutely correct. This place is populated with quite a few nerds. Nerds typically have subpar social skills, which is is both fueled by and results in a lack of empathy. >"I ♥ people; look for ways to make them happy, and empower them." The propaganda arm of the Soviets is called "Pravda",…

It’s why nerds hate MBA-types. They see little value in understanding and engaging with the qualitative side of being human.

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

#96
post #72

Not the purpose of the article but as I am a bit negative on Ruby, and I am neutral to positive on Java... "Ruby is so much better than Java! Look at how you open a file in Java (shows you 30 lines) vs. Ruby! (2 lines)" Ruby Example. ================ begin File.open("/path/to/your/file.txt", "r") do |file| file.each_line do |line| puts line end end rescue Errno::ENOENT puts "File not found" rescue Exception => e puts…

The two aren't equivalent (you're using a catchall exception handler in Ruby but not in Java, and are printing a stack trace in java but not in Ruby). Here's the equivalent Ruby:

    begin
      File.readlines('/path/to/your/file.txt').each {|line| puts line}
    rescue Errno::ENOENT => e
      puts e.backtrace
    end

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

#97
The risk aversion is a fact of life (and sad).

> Is it hard to learn a language?…

Amazingly, no. My language ( https://www.adama-platform.com/ ) recently had a 19 year old build a game with it. Does my language have expert documentation? Not really, but it has just enough.

Hackers still exist, but finding them at bigger companies is rarer.

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

#98
post #44

I think the author of this article grossly misunderstood the purpose of his interaction which lead to this article. You aren't architecting a new programming language, man, you're talking to a guy about computers because you're wearing a shirt of a computer thing he liked. He wanted to talk to you because he had a mutual passion he wanted to share, and you openly challenged him in front of other people. Sorry, you we…

You don't know what the other person really wanted or thought - and neither did the author, apparently. The breakdown in communication here is that you, and the author, had certain expectations, assumptions, and unknown information, and you both made conclusions based on all that variable, unknowable, uncommunicated stuff.

Rather than assume what's going on in the other person's head, ask them. Assume good faith until evidence to the contrary. It allows less judgement and negativity, which leads to more fruitful conversation.

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

#99
post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are just a lot more programmers today. All the same hackers and stuff who used to be there are still there, but there's a lot more of everyone else. If Harvard started admitting 50,000 students a year, the density of Zuckerbergs would be a lot lower. They'd still be there, but harder to find.

Zuckerbergs?! What the hell?

Growth "hacker", I guess

Ew

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

#100
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And also very American-ised. This forced positivity seems to be a cultural aspect of American life.

I agree with the forced positivity thing, I work for an American firm and if you're not positive, you're reprimanded. I had to be told several times to learn to feedback constructively. While I do appreciate this, and I understand it, I just feel like a robot now, not a human at work. So much tip toeing around issues it all just feels so fake and there is little room for emotion. Sometimes, I think it's ok to just be…

I think this is just "colder" Europeans that can't understand that Americans are usually genuinely happy in those interactions. Like, they aren't being fake or lying to you when they are overly nice and positive. It's just how they actually feel.

I'm neither American nor European but I honestly always felt that Americans are much warmer and genuine than Europeans whenever I visit. But I guess it is harder to see when you are used to be in a colder "rude by default" environment.

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