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Re: This time, it feels different

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Post by fluidcruft »

blibble wrote: post #39

> I have come across people who do programming, legal work, business, accountancy and finance, fashion design, architecture, graphic design, research, teaching, cooking, travel planning, event management etc., all of whom have started using the same tool, ChatGPT if I found out my lawyer/account/tax advisor/broker had fed my privileged information into ChatGPT I'd be reporting them to their regulator and they'd be st…

I work in healthcare but have to do a lot of regulatory things and ChatGPT is great for brainstorming arguments and methods and particularly organizing responses. It's like having a mini debate about what things should be discussed and addressed. Often it's been "oh!!! I never thought of that angle!" Basically, it gives me first, very rough drafts to get started and into flow when I'm overthinking things. It's never more detailed than things I would be googling. It's sort of like having an inner monologue that's connected to all the knowledge of the internet. Yes, you often get completely insane, factually wrong responses... but I'm not looking for perfection. It just accelerates the early phases of research and thinking and finding flaws and oversights/blindspots in my ideas.

Re: This time, it feels different

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Post by nly »

Yeah, it's different because it's behind a HTTP API and in a year or two, once OpenAI is skint and your entire product is built around their chat API, you'll be paying 50 cents per request ...at which point your product will no longer be profitable.

Re: This time, it feels different

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Post by gbear605 »

blibble wrote: post #39

> I have come across people who do programming, legal work, business, accountancy and finance, fashion design, architecture, graphic design, research, teaching, cooking, travel planning, event management etc., all of whom have started using the same tool, ChatGPT if I found out my lawyer/account/tax advisor/broker had fed my privileged information into ChatGPT I'd be reporting them to their regulator and they'd be st…

I know sellers realtors are using it today, with their clients permission. (And presumably some are doing it without permission.)

Re: This time, it feels different

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Post by zoogeny »

ctrl-vvvvvvvvv wrote: post #29

Geez another article on the AI Spookiness? How many is that this month now? Most of these articles border on science fiction and involve a lot of projection. While I am concerned in some ways with AI, particularly in mass surveillance and public manipulation via bots, what else can we do other than be reactive to _real_ AI applications when _deployed_? Then we start to discuss proper policy towards AI. Until we see s…

> what else can we do other than be reactive

We can be active? We can get ahead of the curve?

It is such a cliche, but the Wayne Gretzky quote is appropriate: "I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been"

In order to stay ahead we have to predict what is coming. Given the rate of change that AI is likely to cause - by the time you've noticed what is happening you will be so far behind as to be completely ineffective.

Re: This time, it feels different

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Post by nly »

shanebellone wrote: post #14
blowski wrote: post #4

Every few years a new technology goes mainstream and quickly changes the world around us rather fundamentally. I’ve lived through the web in 1995. Google in 2000. Web 2.0 in 2005. Smartphones in 2009. Now it’s generative AI in 2023. Every time, there’s an argument about whether it’s the end of the world or a total nothingburger. Every time, industry leaders are knocked off their perch. Every time, there are surprise…

You've also lived through many technologies that failed to achieve mainstream adoption despite demonstrating comparable levels of hype.

Like cryptocurrency.

Re: This time, it feels different

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Post by datathrow0007 »

probably_wrong wrote: post #35
shanebellone wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've also lived through many technologies that failed to achieve mainstream adoption despite demonstrating comparable levels of hype.

I'm constantly resisting the urge to write "MongoDB is webscale" whenever these threads show up. For the uninitiated: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1636198 . The original video is gone but it lives on YouTube: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs .

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Re: This time, it feels different

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Post by [deleted] »

blibble wrote: post #39

> I have come across people who do programming, legal work, business, accountancy and finance, fashion design, architecture, graphic design, research, teaching, cooking, travel planning, event management etc., all of whom have started using the same tool, ChatGPT if I found out my lawyer/account/tax advisor/broker had fed my privileged information into ChatGPT I'd be reporting them to their regulator and they'd be st…

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Re: This time, it feels different

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Post by zoogeny »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #15

>LangChain[13] enters the chat! Imagine the horror stories of automated online account blocks and Kafkaesque customer support mazes that are all too common, manifesting at a societal level. I can imagine this to be a problem. But I can also imagine it to solve a problem. Right now, customer support is often "dehumanised" and Kafkaesque because no single human has the full picture and all the permissions required to r…

You've brought up an interesting idea in my mind: the infinite patience of AI. No more burned out, jaded customer support people. No more exhaustion answering the same questions over and over. No one feeling motivated today but in a bad mood tomorrow. In some ways, AI will regularize/normalize the CS experience.

I actually believe this will be a huge net benefit.

There is a pop-psychology idea that I recall where three bosses were given to a group of individuals. One boss was always nice, one boss was always mean, the final boss was sometimes nice and sometimes mean. The interesting result was that people disliked the sometimes nice boss more than the always mean boss. The conclusion was that an always mean boss is consistent and therefore they can be planned around. It is the uncertainty of the sometimes nice, sometimes mean boss that causes stress.

Re: This time, it feels different

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Post by nly »

pcl wrote: post #24
haakonhr wrote: post #5

There are definitely interesting times ahead. What surprised me with ChatGPT is the impact of the interface. The quality of the responses are essential up to some threshold, but the chat interface arguably had an even bigger impact. I also remember having the same questions in my last job (in logistics) where potential customers wanted to know how we use AI. This sometimes seemed more important than whether our resul…

Yeah, absolutely. It’s astounding that Google didn’t come up with a chat-based refinement interface to a search session after all these years, instead forcing us to keep on trying again with a slightly changed query string.

Aren't they different use cases? I want generative AI to produce something for me. I want search to find something for me.

Re: This time, it feels different

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Post by grugagag »

Mezzie wrote: post #68
root_axis wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> computers, the internet, etc came and brought tons of wealth, and didn't raise the standard of living Huh?? What world are you living in where the standard of living hasn't increased in the last 50 years?

I'd say that would depend on one's point of view in a couple of key respects: - Are we just discussing the first-world middle class? Obviously if we extend our scope to all of humanity there have been remarkable jumps in standards of living. - Does the idea of 'standard of living' include only access to goods, services, and information or also intangibles like access to safety and (more pertinently to this particular…

> my sense of security in said standard of living has taken a nosedive.

Doesn’t that imply a decrease in standard of living? Not easy to quantify one. I personally see not living in fear as a staple of standard of living.

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