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The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably

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Re: The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably

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Post by hef19898 »

wongarsu wrote: post #68
bjornsing wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU and Putin together would be unstoppable…?

The EU is happy to deal with Erdogan. Well, maybe not happy, but willing. The only thing that puts Putin into a category of his own is the Ukraine war. Before that happened, pulling Russia closer to the EU and maybe making them a bit more moderate over the decades was the strategy. Compared anything that happened before and after, the USSR with its hostility towards the rest of Europe was an outlier, just an outlier…

The US as well, Turkey is a NATO country after all. Heck, Israel and Turkey are in bad with the Saudis to some extend. If anything, Erdogan isbwilling to deal with Putin (explicitly using the people, not the countries, here). None ofbthat jas anything to do with AI so, does it?

Re: The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably

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Post by aqme28 »

endisneigh wrote: post #3

The acceleration of the divergence of the EU from the United States with respect to cutting edge software will be a site to behold. One is neutering and the other is cultivating.

What about these regulations is neutering? They sound pretty reasonable I thought.

Re: The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably

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Post by scrollaway »

golemotron wrote: post #28

I'm not sure the EU is powerful enough to have their way on AI, USB-C, GDPR and a handful of other things. With a population aging faster than the US's it seems like they are spiraling into irrelevance. It could be a market served only by corporations that are willing prop up old tech.

“The eu is spiralling into irrelevance” is up there with “the internet is a fad” and “ai is useless” in the list of absurd sentences to say out loud so nobody takes you seriously ever again.

Re: The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably

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Post by sofixa »

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #70
konschubert wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The effect is going to be that all the innovation happens elsewhere, big AI companies will develop outside Europe. And Europeans will only get to benefit as consumers, not as makers of AI. And the EU will take that as a reason to regulate even harder and then also somehow end up giving a bunch of money to its telcos. EDIT: My point is that regulation doesn’t just prevent “bad products”. The compliance overhead also p…

Fine. Promoting innovation as an ideologiy has become camouflage for mass exploitation. Most 'innovation' that happens in SV is either advertising nonsense or so new trick to avoid labor laws. I've lived in both the USA and The Netherlands and I now live in The Netherlands. I recently had to renew my Dutch driver's license and the entire process so painless and quick. Compared to my experiences doing the same thing i…

> Americans wouldn't know real innovation if a walkable neighborhood arrived on a highspeed train and began eliminating healthcare bureaucracy.

Thanks for the laugh, beautifully put.

In general I agree with your point, Americans hyperfocus on certain types of innovation (reinventing this or that wheel, "revolutionising X", like every single bullshit "reinventing transportation" "like a train, but much worse" proposal out there), mistake everything else for lack of innovation, and totally miss the forrest for the trees. New and different stuff is celebrated, even if it's an obvious disaster in the making for most involved (e.g. Uber destroying labour protections, Airbnb putting immense pressure on already stressed housing markets, idiots reinventing trains but worse with "pods").

Meanwhile American companies are drastically behind in many niches (airplanes, cars, trains, railroad companies, cosmetics, etc.), but you don't hear Americans complain for their lack of innovation. But when anything EU is mentioned "innovation is dead, Deutsche Telekom is so old and just sucking Brussels money". When Intel gets subsidies to manage to catch up to the competition because they stagnated it's strategic, but when EU funds go for anything it's handouts propping up failing industries.

Re: The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably

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Post by iinnPP »

We have a unique problem here that cannot be solved with legislation. The world government will never agree to it and will use it for power. The citizenry will never agree to it because the government won't.

Furthermore, we almost unanimously agree that murdering others (especially children) is bad. Murder happens all the time.

Eventually, someone is going to release a self-growth-AI on the world.

That event is what we need to prepare for. Everything else is not worth the effort. More so given the time we have to deal with this issue.

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Post by chii »

brookst wrote: post #26
oblio wrote: post #7

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The jury's still out on whether software is an unalloyed good.

Straw man. Nobody would say that. Is the jury still out on whether software does more good than harm?

it depends on what people attribute as harm.

I think the only harm an AI can do is the kind that come from errors (human or otherwise). Such as the boeing 737 Max, where people misuse software.

The type of 'harm' that some people attribute to AI such as loss of economic utility, to me, is not harm. And legislating that away is dangerous.

Re: The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably

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Post by eimrine »

galleywest200 wrote: post #44
School-Cotton wrote: post #11

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Nazism is in fact banned in many European countries.

That may be true, but those countries still see the "parades" by these groups. Its "banned" but not gone.

Are you Russian propagandist? They are probably the only actor nowadays who use to name some groups of European people as nazi with emphasis on some parades. Why not to name any group which fits what you are claiming - for letting us to see your guts without asks for some extra clarifications?

Re: The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably

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Post by dragonelite »

wokwokwok wrote: post #86
konschubert wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The effect is going to be that all the innovation happens elsewhere, big AI companies will develop outside Europe. And Europeans will only get to benefit as consumers, not as makers of AI. And the EU will take that as a reason to regulate even harder and then also somehow end up giving a bunch of money to its telcos. EDIT: My point is that regulation doesn’t just prevent “bad products”. The compliance overhead also p…

? Do you think there’s some kind of karmic point scoring system that you win by being the first one to build horrible unethical dystopian AI models? Or are you just complaining you won’t be able to horrifically exploit people using them to make lots of money? …because, sure, red tape is bad, but is it ultimately that terrible not being a allowed to be super villain? “But America has super villains! …! We’re being lef…

Well you need patents and those patents will be created and registered in the US or China this way. Kind of like how EU car manufacturers have been sleeping on the EV movement. Now they have to source their parts from Chinese manufacturers.

So wealth is leaking(patent costs etc) out of Europe and the continent will have less wealth in total over time. Especially now that the cheap Russian energy they had access too is going to their manufacturing rival China and it will also boost Indian development manufacturing.

Brussels is doing everything in their power to deindustrialise and make Europe less competitive on the global market..

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Post by gumballindie »

konschubert wrote: post #88
gumballindie wrote: post #58

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I am pretty sure that regardless of where you are if you sell a product in the eu that violates eu law you will be fined. Furthermore you may be banned from selling in the eu all together. Meaning legit ai companies in the eu will flourish while ai companies not following the rules will miss out on the richest market. So in effect the eu is protecting it’s citizens work from theft and companies from unethical competi…

Big companies can afford regulations. They will do just fine with writing all the compliance documents But Small companies can’t afford the compliance overhead. And big companies can only develop out of small companies. So they will develop elsewhere

They said the same about GDPR and is working fine. If a company crosses me I just request data removal and call it a day. It's all good. I do hate GDPR popups tho.

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Post by endisneigh »

gumballindie wrote: post #66
endisneigh wrote: post #55

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> This would lead to a win win setup. Artists, developers, writers, lawyers and so on would need compensation for training content - one time or ongoing - leading to higher quality models, job growth and a superior ai product over all. I have been told information should be free, though.

According to terms and conditions. Ip is not information, it’s work. Pay for it or dont use it. I decide the terms of my own output not you, and certainly not a corporation that resells it and threatens me with unemployment.

I don't disagree with you, but many people on HN think digital information should be free, just sayin'
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