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Re: Helion’s fusion power purchase agreement with Microsoft

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Sounds like Altman used his personal relationship with Microsoft CEO to do this meaningless PR stunt, so he can more easily pursaude stupid money to actually invest in this.

What the hell is this cynicism? Seems completely inappropriate. Helion isn’t vaporware.

What about this detailed criticism of Helion's entire reactor and long term plans:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vUPhsFoniw

Re: Helion’s fusion power purchase agreement with Microsoft

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HN, what the heck has happened to you? What is with all of these cynical comments? Helion is an awesome company, their technology is real, and this is cool. >oh no this might not work! Do you guys not understand that you’re posting on the forum of a venture capital firm/startup accelerator?

You can be optimistic when you’re just making an app to rent your room out or to find a dog walker. You can hustle and sell useless SaaS services long enough to get acquired for no real reason except managerial power plays in large companies. In the world of software you can kinda make almost any idea work with sweat and political maneuvering. You can literally see that they’re trying to play the same games here.

However when it comes to startups dealing with biology or physics you’re literally battling the laws of nature. You can’t just hustle out of it. I’ve been laughing at the type of biotech companies that get funded by SV (nano diamonds for cancer detection? Gut Micro biome sequencing?) and it’s looking like similar story with fusion.

In this case if you want real reasons why Helion looks suspect check out this good summary of all the issues with their approach and promise: https://youtu.be/3vUPhsFoniw

I won’t get my life against someone figuring out fusion in the next two decades but I wouldn’t bet money towards it either.

Re: Helion’s fusion power purchase agreement with Microsoft

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Decades of tons of things turning out to be a pile of lies and fraud.

Is that true? Seems like this summer I’m driving my Tesla to watch a Starship launch and using my starlink for internet access along the way. Meanwhile I’m using GitHub copilot to help me write code to uses some of openAIs products in my existing SaaS offering. There is a constant stream of waymos driving past my house (with nobody in them) and I’m playing Skyrim in VR. What technology are you talking about that didn…

The general attitude in my circles is none of those technologies have had any positive impact on our or our loved one’s lives. Don’t get me wrong, they’re all “cool and awesome”, but when you put it into perspective of “is life easier” or “has our happiness increased”, my answer would be a strong no.

This general skepticism leads to younger generation to be more cynical, especially when things that have been promised just don’t work out. I can’t really support it with any reliable data, as I mentioned, could just be my circles and nobody else.

Hopefully fusion will work out though! That I’m looking forward to.

Re: Helion’s fusion power purchase agreement with Microsoft

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Decades of tons of things turning out to be a pile of lies and fraud.

Is that true? Seems like this summer I’m driving my Tesla to watch a Starship launch and using my starlink for internet access along the way. Meanwhile I’m using GitHub copilot to help me write code to uses some of openAIs products in my existing SaaS offering. There is a constant stream of waymos driving past my house (with nobody in them) and I’m playing Skyrim in VR. What technology are you talking about that didn…

Well what's the fraction of success stories compared to the promises given? And: The success stories you're mentioning would have been there (even earlier in many cases) if they'd be consistently developed over time.

Tesla did not invent the e-car nor did SpaceX have the idea to go to space. Maybe it's just people being fed up with glossy techbro marketing whilst being fired because of "past overhiring"?

Re: Helion’s fusion power purchase agreement with Microsoft

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HN, what the heck has happened to you? What is with all of these cynical comments? Helion is an awesome company, their technology is real, and this is cool. >oh no this might not work! Do you guys not understand that you’re posting on the forum of a venture capital firm/startup accelerator?

8 years ago, HN was a place full of optimism and excitement. I've noticed a marked increase in cynicism in this place. Like most of the world, it suffers from extreme tribalism and group think. I miss the former positive HN. And the positive world. sigh

Maybe we just grew up? There is still plenty we are enthusiastic and positive about here, but discussion sure has become more nuanced.

Re: Helion’s fusion power purchase agreement with Microsoft

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The cynicism for me at least is a result of reality actually getting markedly worse (at least in the USA) over the last 10 years. However, none of that has anything to do with fusion tech, so I remain hopeful about that!

It's admittedly a 12 year old YouTube, but I always liked watching this when I was feeling especially cynical about the overall trajectory of the world: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbkSRLYSojo

Before clicking that link I wondered what I would recommend to people who were feeling cynical about the world. It's a book by Hans Rosling - Factfulness, and it turns out that's the guy in your video.

Re: Helion’s fusion power purchase agreement with Microsoft

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Decades of tons of things turning out to be a pile of lies and fraud.

Is that true? Seems like this summer I’m driving my Tesla to watch a Starship launch and using my starlink for internet access along the way. Meanwhile I’m using GitHub copilot to help me write code to uses some of openAIs products in my existing SaaS offering. There is a constant stream of waymos driving past my house (with nobody in them) and I’m playing Skyrim in VR. What technology are you talking about that didn…

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Re: Helion’s fusion power purchase agreement with Microsoft

#98

HN, what the heck has happened to you? What is with all of these cynical comments? Helion is an awesome company, their technology is real, and this is cool. >oh no this might not work! Do you guys not understand that you’re posting on the forum of a venture capital firm/startup accelerator?

8 years ago, HN was a place full of optimism and excitement. I've noticed a marked increase in cynicism in this place. Like most of the world, it suffers from extreme tribalism and group think. I miss the former positive HN. And the positive world. sigh

It's pretty easy to find comments of people complaining about cynicism 11+ years ago.

Re: Helion’s fusion power purchase agreement with Microsoft

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While you’re probably right about GP’s cynical tone, this announcement does seem fairly meaningless. Does Helion have a working prototype that can be reasonably moved into production? Or is that still years away?

Their sixth reactor achieved 100M degree temps, ran for 16 months under vacuum, did thousands of fusion shots, and demonstrated D-He3 fusion. Their seventh will start up in 2024, and is supposed to demonstrate net electricity from D-He3. Their eighth is supposed to be the commercial reactor. If they don't achieve that, they will have to pay penalties to Microsoft.

Divorced from both cynicism and hype, how does this compare to the recent advance in hohlraum laser fusion?

https://www.llnl.gov/news/lawrence-livermore-national-labora...

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