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The last days of a 350-year-old family farm

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Re: The last days of a 350-year-old family farm

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Post by pfdietz »

dekhn wrote: post #65
colechristensen wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, yes, this is what I explained, but in no way is the hydrocarbon necessary , it's just one of many alternative feedstocks for hydrogen.

I don't think this is logical. You said "oil is not turned into fertilizer" but then you agree, oil can be used to do it. And, in reality, nearly all nitrogen fertilizer uses oil as the feedstock, so probably, in the future, don't say "you don't know what you're talking about" unless you are 100% technically correct, which in this case, I don't think you were.

He's saying oil (or any fossil fuel) doesn't have to be the feedstock from which ammonia is produced. That natural gas (not oil) is currently the leading feedstock is entirely beside the point. Agriculture can switch away from it at any time.

And, in particular, this statement is figurative and literal bullshit:

> Without that oil to turn into fertilizer, the only other chance is to have ruminants actively managed on a regenerative farm growing both meat and produce.

Re: The last days of a 350-year-old family farm

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Post by mcphage »

Maursault wrote: post #50
tsunamifury wrote: post #24

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I really want to know why entitled and toxic millennials forced your friend off his farm and into accounting…

His nephew feels the farm belongs to him, saw my friend, one of the three actual legitimate heirs, as a threat. It was not just toxicity, it was escalating violence. Though my friend is the strongest man I know and could literally tie his skinny nephew into a double knot, and I could tell you stories of his ridiculous physicality that I personally witnessed, he is a pacifist, nonviolent, quite gentle for someone with…

> Millennials, as sensitive as they can be at times

They are sensitive. Thankfully, not as sensitive as the generations that would riot if the wrong kind of person drank from their water fountain.

Re: The last days of a 350-year-old family farm

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Post by wahnfrieden »

ajmurmann wrote: post #74
ed25519FUUU wrote: post #70

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We can’t eliminate it on a city by city, or state by state basis. How would that inequality ever be eliminated on a country by country basis?

You see it being eliminated right there in the post. Globalization is moving money to the people who are more needy by giving them the chance to earn a relative fortune by harvesting apples in NZ. It's a fabulous success! We see this all over the place. Many manufacturing jobs moved from China to cheaper places where people are more needy because so many Chinese were lifted out of poverty. The best way out of poverty…

Automation gives profit margins to owners, not free time to workers. You’re asking for charity or revolution.

Re: The last days of a 350-year-old family farm

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Post by abdullahkhalids »

ajmurmann wrote: post #74
ed25519FUUU wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can’t eliminate it on a city by city, or state by state basis. How would that inequality ever be eliminated on a country by country basis?

You see it being eliminated right there in the post. Globalization is moving money to the people who are more needy by giving them the chance to earn a relative fortune by harvesting apples in NZ. It's a fabulous success! We see this all over the place. Many manufacturing jobs moved from China to cheaper places where people are more needy because so many Chinese were lifted out of poverty. The best way out of poverty…

In capitalism, capital owning individuals, companies and countries gain wealth at an exponential rate, while labor producing individuals, companies and countries gain wealth at a linear rate.

In such a system, high levels of inequality is the natural state.

Re: The last days of a 350-year-old family farm

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Post by ajmurmann »

abdullahkhalids wrote: post #95
ajmurmann wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You see it being eliminated right there in the post. Globalization is moving money to the people who are more needy by giving them the chance to earn a relative fortune by harvesting apples in NZ. It's a fabulous success! We see this all over the place. Many manufacturing jobs moved from China to cheaper places where people are more needy because so many Chinese were lifted out of poverty. The best way out of poverty…

In capitalism, capital owning individuals, companies and countries gain wealth at an exponential rate, while labor producing individuals, companies and countries gain wealth at a linear rate. In such a system, high levels of inequality is the natural state.

Yes, let's kill the golden goose that makes us rich so that other people cannot get even richer and we won't get jealous.

Developing countries also seem to be catching up. The gap between southeast Asian states that used to be tragically poor a few decades ago to western countries is clearly closing.

Re: The last days of a 350-year-old family farm

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Post by ajmurmann »

mikrotikker wrote: post #79
ajmurmann wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You see it being eliminated right there in the post. Globalization is moving money to the people who are more needy by giving them the chance to earn a relative fortune by harvesting apples in NZ. It's a fabulous success! We see this all over the place. Many manufacturing jobs moved from China to cheaper places where people are more needy because so many Chinese were lifted out of poverty. The best way out of poverty…

But the effects globalization has had on the environment has been disastrous

Is it globalization or industrialization? Is it inherent to globalization?

Re: The last days of a 350-year-old family farm

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Post by tsunamifury »

Maursault wrote: post #50
tsunamifury wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really want to know why entitled and toxic millennials forced your friend off his farm and into accounting…

His nephew feels the farm belongs to him, saw my friend, one of the three actual legitimate heirs, as a threat. It was not just toxicity, it was escalating violence. Though my friend is the strongest man I know and could literally tie his skinny nephew into a double knot, and I could tell you stories of his ridiculous physicality that I personally witnessed, he is a pacifist, nonviolent, quite gentle for someone with…

Seems like a classic farm drama I’ve heard play out poorly before. Other one is the kids just don’t care to take it on. But less drama there and more a slow death

Re: The last days of a 350-year-old family farm

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Post by bongoman37 »

mikrotikker wrote: post #79
ajmurmann wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You see it being eliminated right there in the post. Globalization is moving money to the people who are more needy by giving them the chance to earn a relative fortune by harvesting apples in NZ. It's a fabulous success! We see this all over the place. Many manufacturing jobs moved from China to cheaper places where people are more needy because so many Chinese were lifted out of poverty. The best way out of poverty…

But the effects globalization has had on the environment has been disastrous

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