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New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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To me, that's a lot of money for a piece of plastic. I get that it's a medical device and needed lots of testing etc, but Nutrisense seems like too much "value add" to justify what they charge for it. Hopefully I can get a prescription and get this all covered by insurance.

CGM's are fairly recent technology and they're all very expensive right now

The "disposable" electronics in these are also extremely interesting. They're cost-reducing the hell out of these devices. Even in the last few months, one vendor replaced a cheap chip (TI RF430) with even cheaper custom silicon. They are not standing still!

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Processed meats often also contain a lot of sugar. Breakfast sausage, bacon, etc. frequently have added sugar.

Even beef jerky has ridiculous amounts of sugar, it's hard to find a brand that doesn't have more sugar calories than protein calories. I tend to cook nearly all my own food anyway, but it would be nice to be able to pay somebody to make ready to eat foods that didn't include ridiculously needless additions.

It’s hard to produce tasty food at a reasonable price point that doesn’t involve lots of sugar, salt, etc.

Worse, when you aim for that market customers start to want local, organic, grass fed, etc which drastically increases ingredient costs.

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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My personal, unsubstantiated opinion is that the food most people eat is now full of substances and chemicals that weren't there 50 years ago. A huge example is high fructose corn syrup. Almost everything is sweetened with that instead of cane sugar. Food manufacturers IMO only care about making food cheap, making us crave it, and making it last a long time on the shelf. They aren't concerned about making sure it is…

America is not the world.

High fructose corn syrup is a very American thing. Over 90% of the nutritive sweetener used worldwide is sucrose.

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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I don't see one comment criticizing the study, below is the study design and below this section is much more information about how they generate the quotable number. It looks like at its core there are separate data sources which de-link the person with T2D to their specific diet features (I might be way off base here so please correct if I'm wrong). Instead they are doing quite some complicated fitting to deduce these numbers. I'm not an expert in this field, and even the field I am this type of statistical work would too much for me to easily understand, but I will say this: there is a lot of lost information and to me its difficult to know whether I should base dietary decisions on this. Anyway I do not need to be told processed meat is bad for me, it destroys my gut every time I eat it and still I go back for more.

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Study design

A comparative risk assessment model55 estimated the numbers, proportions and uncertainty of global T2D cases attributable to suboptimal intake of key dietary factors (Extended Data Fig. 1). Comparative risk assessment does not use ecologic correlations to estimate risk but incorporates independently derived inputs and parameters on demographics, risk factors, their etiologic effects and disease incidence to model attributable burdens55. For this investigation, we leveraged input data and corresponding uncertainty in 184 countries on (1) population dietary intake distributions based on individual-level survey data from the GDD (http://www.globaldietarydatabase.org/)56; (2) population overweight (BMI ≥ 25 kg m−2) and underweight (BMI https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-023-02278-8 ---snip---

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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My personal, unsubstantiated opinion is that the food most people eat is now full of substances and chemicals that weren't there 50 years ago. A huge example is high fructose corn syrup. Almost everything is sweetened with that instead of cane sugar. Food manufacturers IMO only care about making food cheap, making us crave it, and making it last a long time on the shelf. They aren't concerned about making sure it is…

Not to blindly defend excessive food additives or anything, but putting questionable additives into food has been a thing for at least three times as long as you say; look up Dr. Harvey Washington Wiley[1] and swill milk[2].

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Washington_Wiley?useski... [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swill_milk_scandal?useskin=vec...

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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post #74

My personal, unsubstantiated opinion is that the food most people eat is now full of substances and chemicals that weren't there 50 years ago. A huge example is high fructose corn syrup. Almost everything is sweetened with that instead of cane sugar. Food manufacturers IMO only care about making food cheap, making us crave it, and making it last a long time on the shelf. They aren't concerned about making sure it is…

America is not the world. High fructose corn syrup is a very American thing. Over 90% of the nutritive sweetener used worldwide is sucrose.

It's almost entirely caused by the conflux of sugar tariffs and immense overproduction of corn in the USA.

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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post #74

My personal, unsubstantiated opinion is that the food most people eat is now full of substances and chemicals that weren't there 50 years ago. A huge example is high fructose corn syrup. Almost everything is sweetened with that instead of cane sugar. Food manufacturers IMO only care about making food cheap, making us crave it, and making it last a long time on the shelf. They aren't concerned about making sure it is…

this makes me so sad. I can't eat anything sweet and the one thing I found that I seem to tolerate well to a degree is sweetened with sucralose, sweet is addictive... I just ate 8 apples today when I lost control and I'm going to pay the price the next few days (food intolerance)

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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I had one in my fridge most of last week waiting for the right time to strike. It was a serious apple and required a plan.

Really? I can eat like 3 cosmic crisps in one sitting.

I have a coring device (the T-shaped one with a red handle) and the plan is always - core the apple, swallow apple as close to whole as I can.

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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Candy has probably gotten larger and easier to eat. Like compare a peppermint to stuff like peppermint M&Ms.

No - in general shrinkflation is a thing - and it tends that things peaked 20 to 30 years ago. Many junk food items are larger than when they hit the shelves but substantially smaller than their peak sizes.

The problem is the same as with cars; it's true that the "standard size" M&M packet may be smaller now (I've not checked, but let's grant it), but most checkouts are lined with KING SIZE or SHARE SIZE which are way bigger.

Re: New study: 70% of type 2 diabetes cases linked to food choices

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I remember back then I heard a theory (didn't validate) that either sugar or fat is fine but consuming both at the same time is bad.

And several weeks ago there was an article here on HN about some research showing that ice cream wasn’t unhealthy (for something, I forget, heart disease?). Seems safer to just eat less processed foods.

Even something like "ice cream" can be a very basic milk/cream/salt or something with sugar or something whose list of ingredients would make a petroleum engineer blush and run.
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