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Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by yellowapple »

lawn wrote: post #70
column wrote: post #7

I am puzzled by the lack of keyboard layouts for Switzerland (we have the cash to spend on such novelties!). Also, no DVORAK? Is this for hackers or not? French Canadian $99 English International $99 German $99 US English $99 French $99 British English $99 Clear ANSI $109 Blank ANSI $109 Black ISO $109 Clear ISO $109

> Is this for hackers or not? A real hacker uses blank keys.

A real hacker twiddles the data lines on a USB port manually instead of bothering with luser-friendly crap like keyboards.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by wazoox »

jjice wrote: post #17

I've been waiting for this machine for so long, excited to see the actual CPU unveil. I may be out of date, but is the issue with not entering sleep mode properly resolved? That's a huge issue to me. Aside from Framework, does anyone suggest any other existing laptops that keep a fairly slim design while also offering lots of user repairability? I've had an okay experience with my Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen 3, but she's…

The (quite cheap) Lenovo Ideapads are quite good. I've upgraded my S540 with 32 GB of RAM (instead of the base 8) myself, it can receive a second M.2 SSD, and the first one is also upgradeable.

The only small problem is with the keyboard : the most used keys are completely blank after 3 years of use :)

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by rektide »

maztaim wrote: post #51
avargas wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently with the Ryzen processor, the slots are limited: "The Framework Laptop 13 with Ryzen™ 7040 Series processors has two fully capable USB4 ports, with the back left and back right Expansion Cards slots. The front left Expansion Card slot can handle both USB 3.2 and DisplayPort Alt Mode, while the front right Expansion Card can use USB 3.2. This does mean there is one Expansion Card slot that can't support the…

What are you expecting to run off all four slots that makes that a dealbreaker?

Expect the unexpected. It doesn't have to be a rational known ask. We are Hackers. We want to be ready for whatever. That day when there's a 4 screen display wall? Ready. Connecting to a thunderbolt NAS, a display, a desktop, and our friends laptop? Ready.

"What is the use case" is the deadening soul sucking most un Hackerly thing to ask. Computers are amazing general purpose machines & we celebrate their flexible utility. We don't know where flexibility always leads but we value it. We value open systems, open possibilities, open frontiers, not being bounded.

Edit: based on the voting, I guess only some of us on HN are Hackers! I also have example use cases too, to be constructive, but guess that's not enough for the cynics.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by stirlo »

KeplerBoy wrote: post #60
Bairfhionn wrote: post #32

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AX201 only works with intel. AX200 should work in the AMD Framework as well. Edit: Info from Intel itself https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000...

Fascinating, the specs seem identical apart from the different interface. I wonder what's the purpose/advantage of the AX201.

The 2x1 wifi card are intel specific while the 2x0 cards are CPU agnostic. As long as you have a card model ending in 0 you're fine to use any CPU.

As for why they did it I'd assume its slightly cheaper to build a 2x1 chip than a 2x0 as offloading the functions to the CPU would mean less components on the card itself. When you're selling 100s of millions of them every little bit counts.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by alanfranz »

duffyjp wrote: post #88
jeffbee wrote: post #66

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The Framework wifi card for Intel is an AX201 implementation, which means the only thing on the card is the RF and the rest of the wireless functions are in the Intel SoC. You can't use an AX201 with anything but an Intel platform because of CNVi.

Huh really? I put an AX210 wifi 6E card in my absolutely ancient Intel i7-2600 Optiplex and it works great.

Yes, really. Cnvi cards only work on recent Intel cpus and they’re a tad cheaper.

The problem is not Intel branded cards. Your card (ending with 0) is non-cnvi. Try an AX211 and it won’t work.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by estebank »

jeffbee wrote: post #66
codedokode wrote: post #30

> If you're upgrading your Framework Laptop to the new Mainboard, remember that you'll need ... a Ryzen-compatible RZ616 or similar WiFi card. Why does WiFi card need to be "compatible" with CPU? Isn't it enough to be compatible with PCI-Express? Or are there backdoors that do not work with Intel-backdoor-compatible WiFi cards?

The Framework wifi card for Intel is an AX201 implementation, which means the only thing on the card is the RF and the rest of the wireless functions are in the Intel SoC. You can't use an AX201 with anything but an Intel platform because of CNVi.

The modern/hardware equivalent of a WinModem.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by zen_1 »

duffyjp wrote: post #88
jeffbee wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Framework wifi card for Intel is an AX201 implementation, which means the only thing on the card is the RF and the rest of the wireless functions are in the Intel SoC. You can't use an AX201 with anything but an Intel platform because of CNVi.

Huh really? I put an AX210 wifi 6E card in my absolutely ancient Intel i7-2600 Optiplex and it works great.

As I understand it, the AX2X0 cards will work with any CPU, while the AX2X1 cards need CNVi support (so a newer intel SoC)

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by _V_ »

The questions I always ask:

- Does it have atlest two m.2 slots?

- Can I have WIFI and WWAN (5G)?

- Can this fit 4 RAM sticks? (96-128G RAM)

- Does it have a 4k display? (it's 2023, come on!)

Still not many computers do offer these parameters :-( I'd love to have Framework laptop if it would offer these parameters.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by maverwa »

duffyjp wrote: post #88
jeffbee wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Framework wifi card for Intel is an AX201 implementation, which means the only thing on the card is the RF and the rest of the wireless functions are in the Intel SoC. You can't use an AX201 with anything but an Intel platform because of CNVi.

Huh really? I put an AX210 wifi 6E card in my absolutely ancient Intel i7-2600 Optiplex and it works great.

Reading intel ark, it seem to me that the AX210 is a fully fledged device that can be used with every SoC [0] while the AX201 relies on CNVi [1].

So both can be true at the same time: your AX210 works fine with the i7-2600, while the AX201 would not.

Thanks for those product names Intel. Very helpful!

0: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/204836/... 1: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/130293/...

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