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Re: Fakespot Is Acquired by Mozilla

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Post by fafzv »

bcx wrote: post #15

This feels like a good long term vision for Mozilla. The browser wars are basically over , and Mozilla as an organization would benefit from a longer term vision to improve veracity on the internet. With the ability to generate content at the cost of basically 0, figuring out what's real and not real is going to be an increasingly hard challenge. Browser stats (as of Feb): 79.7% - Chrome 8.6% - Edge 4.8% - Firefox/Mo…

The browser wars are over because Firefox lost them by spending all the time patting themselves on the back about how much better they were than the competition, wasting their money on stupid stuff like this instead of improving their browser.

Getting themselves into a deeper hole is unlikely to help, imo.

Re: Fakespot Is Acquired by Mozilla

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Post by krono »

Entinel wrote: post #47
notatoad wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the general state of firefox suggests that they are not large enough to do more than one thing.

This is a thing that has just become a thing to say with no substance. I use FF everyday and have since the Quantum release and have few complaints.

Its great that everything just magically seems to work so well for you, but behind the curtains it took additional effort from the developers of websites you visit to make it so. Same goes for Safari and some of the less popular browsers.

Re: Fakespot Is Acquired by Mozilla

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Post by kjkjadksj »

hammyhavoc wrote: post #90
kjkjadksj wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, most consumers have marched off desktop os entirely to walled garden mobile apps. That probably also means whats left of the desktop browser users are perhaps more likely to be firefox users than beforehand when it was more of a mass market.

Why are they more likely? The browser statistics paint a completely different picture about Firefox usage.

I’d imagine firefox usage is enriched among techies who are enriched among desktop os users, increasingly so as aunt sally moves to the ipad.

Re: Fakespot Is Acquired by Mozilla

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

bcx wrote: post #15

This feels like a good long term vision for Mozilla. The browser wars are basically over , and Mozilla as an organization would benefit from a longer term vision to improve veracity on the internet. With the ability to generate content at the cost of basically 0, figuring out what's real and not real is going to be an increasingly hard challenge. Browser stats (as of Feb): 79.7% - Chrome 8.6% - Edge 4.8% - Firefox/Mo…

>This feels like a good long term vision for Mozilla.

>The browser wars are basically over

and why is that? Oh because Mozilla hasn't put any energy into getting better or pulling back market share from the moment it started to bleed out to Chrome.

Let's not just sit back and go "Oh well, they lost nothing they could do" shrug. They built their tech in such an obtuse and opinionated way it's impossible to integrate anywhere else, milked their millions selling off customer data to Google via the default search interface, burned the money on private jets and shockingly overpaid low-talent low-vision executives. Burned engineering talent on a VPN service no one asked for just because it's a good money making scam if you advertize it on the right podcasts, made huge parts of their deep engineering teams redundant.

To be perfectly honest the only good long term vision for Mozilla is an empty office or a landfill. Their existence under the current management doomed the internet back to the IE6 era of browser variety. Firefox the browser would be way better off if Mozilla the company didn't exist.

Baffles me they have any good will left at all from people who care about the internet. This company will literally do anything else than work hard on their browser.

Re: Fakespot Is Acquired by Mozilla

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Post by eli »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #80
bcx wrote: post #15

This feels like a good long term vision for Mozilla. The browser wars are basically over , and Mozilla as an organization would benefit from a longer term vision to improve veracity on the internet. With the ability to generate content at the cost of basically 0, figuring out what's real and not real is going to be an increasingly hard challenge. Browser stats (as of Feb): 79.7% - Chrome 8.6% - Edge 4.8% - Firefox/Mo…

Its amazing how consistently poor safari adoption has been.

It doesn't really run at all on Windows, the most popular desktop operating system by a huge margin.

Re: Fakespot Is Acquired by Mozilla

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Post by fafzv »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #80
bcx wrote: post #15

This feels like a good long term vision for Mozilla. The browser wars are basically over , and Mozilla as an organization would benefit from a longer term vision to improve veracity on the internet. With the ability to generate content at the cost of basically 0, figuring out what's real and not real is going to be an increasingly hard challenge. Browser stats (as of Feb): 79.7% - Chrome 8.6% - Edge 4.8% - Firefox/Mo…

Its amazing how consistently poor safari adoption has been.

Safari only runs on Apple hardware and the world at large is poor. Like really, really poor.

Safari has 34.6% share in the US: https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/all/united-s...

Re: Fakespot Is Acquired by Mozilla

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Post by guestbest »

msla wrote: post #8
guestbest wrote: post #6

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> Sorry about being pedantic, but is no such thing as fake content, there is only more content. This isn't pedantic, it's ignoring context: In context, "Fake" clearly means that the so-called review wasn't written by a human who had used the product. Given what a review is, and what purpose we expect reviews to serve, so-called "reviews" written by a language model are clearly fake, just like a non-driveable toy car…

Online reviews are a product, not a nebulous concept and sites like Amazon depend on them to drive sales of products or are a company’s entire unique value proposition like in the case of Yelp. The idea that reviews are not in some way manipulated at ‘fake’ since they drive capital towards or away from businesses. In other words there are no altruistic reviews. The only neutral content comes from a Random Number Generator, which is thus far impossible to create

Re: Fakespot Is Acquired by Mozilla

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Post by hammyhavoc »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #93
hammyhavoc wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are they more likely? The browser statistics paint a completely different picture about Firefox usage.

I’d imagine firefox usage is enriched among techies who are enriched among desktop os users, increasingly so as aunt sally moves to the ipad.

Your imagination aside, the statistics show a decline in Firefox numbers, and it has a woefully small marketshare (~4% across all devices). It's been declining for 12 years. They lost ~50m users in ~3y.

"Techies" have or are moving on because Mozilla's pace of development is woeful, and compatibility is poor. Killing the RSS reader was the final straw for many. Disney advertising in-browser was another major moment.

Re: Fakespot Is Acquired by Mozilla

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Post by KingOfCoders »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #94
bcx wrote: post #15

This feels like a good long term vision for Mozilla. The browser wars are basically over , and Mozilla as an organization would benefit from a longer term vision to improve veracity on the internet. With the ability to generate content at the cost of basically 0, figuring out what's real and not real is going to be an increasingly hard challenge. Browser stats (as of Feb): 79.7% - Chrome 8.6% - Edge 4.8% - Firefox/Mo…

>This feels like a good long term vision for Mozilla. >The browser wars are basically over and why is that? Oh because Mozilla hasn't put any energy into getting better or pulling back market share from the moment it started to bleed out to Chrome. Let's not just sit back and go "Oh well, they lost nothing they could do" shrug . They built their tech in such an obtuse and opinionated way it's impossible to integrate…

To me - as a long term FF user and Mozilla critic - it looks like:

Spend money on everything except browser development (>$5 billions!).

Market share down the drain.

Use the market share as an argument for a lost cause and spend money on everything except Browser development.

Ladybird - a browser spearheaded by one person - will expose Mozilla of what it is.

Re: Fakespot Is Acquired by Mozilla

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Post by KingOfCoders »

fafzv wrote: post #91
bcx wrote: post #15

This feels like a good long term vision for Mozilla. The browser wars are basically over , and Mozilla as an organization would benefit from a longer term vision to improve veracity on the internet. With the ability to generate content at the cost of basically 0, figuring out what's real and not real is going to be an increasingly hard challenge. Browser stats (as of Feb): 79.7% - Chrome 8.6% - Edge 4.8% - Firefox/Mo…

The browser wars are over because Firefox lost them by spending all the time patting themselves on the back about how much better they were than the competition, wasting their money on stupid stuff like this instead of improving their browser. Getting themselves into a deeper hole is unlikely to help, imo.

Remember "Firefox OS"?
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