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Re: Samsung bans use of A.I. like ChatGPT for employees

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Post by redmaverick » Tue, May 02, 2023, 5:12 PM UTC

tjr wrote: post #84

mellosouls wrote: post #59

Companies banning the use of ChatGPT level tools going forward will find the rules either flouted, subverted or the employees going elsewhere. Of course there is a duty on employees to be professional - the latter will be the ones taking up opportunities at non-legacy/dinosaur corporations that think they can command the waves. The answer is to sort your processes, security and training out - new AI is here to stay,…

Companies banning the use of ChatGPT level tools going forward will find the rules either flouted, subverted or the employees going elsewhere. Why? Companies typically have many rules that they expect employees to follow. Why would employees disregard these particular rules, or even quit because of them?

simple reason. I can refactor the codebase in a dozen different ways in a matter of seconds and choose the best one to work on. I can a summon a large volume of unit tests, descriptive logging statements etc. I can also just dump the logs and it will 9/10 times tell you right away what the issue is and how you can resolve it.

i.e basically you can do a lot of work in just a matter of hours. Once you taste the productivity increase by integrating AI into your workflow you will miss it if it is taken out.

not mention you can build all the handy little tools in a matter of seconds that will make your daily life way easier.

Re: Samsung bans use of A.I. like ChatGPT for employees

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Post by unixhero » Tue, May 02, 2023, 5:13 PM UTC

bagels wrote: post #48

unixhero wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We just ordered a white label instance from Open AI. It will consume some terabytes of data and hopefully be the oracle we need.

Can you point us to how you did this?

We placed a request to set this up on / via Azure through our Microsoft account executive.

Re: Samsung bans use of A.I. like ChatGPT for employees

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Post by mfer » Tue, May 02, 2023, 5:13 PM UTC

kypro wrote: post #86

I'm not suggesting the concerns aren't valid, but I guess I don't understand why this same principal isn't applied to other internet connected / cloud software? Do these companies worry that web browsers like Chrome could leak data or applications like Google Docs? What is it about an AI chat bots that makes the risk of a data leak so much higher? Is something about OpenAI's ToS? Or it's relative infancy?

It's about leaking private/proprietary company information. It's not about features.

How will that private/proprietary information be used by OpenAI? Does it include NDA information from another company that they don't have the right to share? How secure is the information stored (think industrial espionage)? There is a lot that needs to be taken into account that even goes beyond this.

Re: Samsung bans use of A.I. like ChatGPT for employees

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Post by gumballindie » Tue, May 02, 2023, 5:13 PM UTC

downWidOutaFite wrote: post #28

speedgoose wrote: post #12

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Some even upload all their conversations and confidential internal documents to Microsoft 365!

And to Google and Amazon and GitHub and Slack and 100 other SaaSs. Not sure why openai is supposed to be more of a concern.

Not following. Some eu data are not meant to be stored on aws zones outside the eu and if and where that is a concern aws is not used at all. Neither is azure or google cloud. Those “100 other saas” are meant to follow clear rules on how data is processed else they get stricken by gdrp.

Re: Samsung bans use of A.I. like ChatGPT for employees

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Post by idopmstuff » Tue, May 02, 2023, 5:14 PM UTC

VoodooJuJu wrote: post #80

mellosouls wrote: post #59

Companies banning the use of ChatGPT level tools going forward will find the rules either flouted, subverted or the employees going elsewhere. Of course there is a duty on employees to be professional - the latter will be the ones taking up opportunities at non-legacy/dinosaur corporations that think they can command the waves. The answer is to sort your processes, security and training out - new AI is here to stay,…

>employees going elsewhere That's strange to me. I'm employed in order to receive a paycheck. If receiving my paycheck is contingent on me not using ChatGPT, then so be it, what do I care?

Employees want to work with good tools and do interesting work. I'm at a small startup and get to spend a lot of my time working with AI - figuring out how we can use it internally, working out where we can integrate it into our product and using it myself to prototype things and automate some of our business processes.

I am hugely fascinated and impressed by AI, and the fact that my work is paying me to spend time using this awesome tool in a real world context is suuuuuuuper good for my job satisfaction.

Re: Samsung bans use of A.I. like ChatGPT for employees

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Post by hammyhavoc » Tue, May 02, 2023, 5:15 PM UTC

hospitalJail wrote: post #77

hammyhavoc wrote: post #60

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"Everyone" is exaggeration at best.

It kind of boggles my mind that there are people who arent using LLMs yet. Sure its not everyone, but the people who arent using them are signaling a major red flag IMO. They are resistant to change, even if they don't understand the technology, what else are they resisting from their managers/leadership team? Further, I think of the people in my life who have refused to even try it, they all seem to have a screw or…

They're wildly inappropriate for most things. For similar anecdata, see blockchain fever where everybody shoehorned it in wherever they could, even when a traditional database made more sense.

Consistent conditional logic makes more sense than a risk-laden hallucinating LLM for a lot of workflows.

"Everyone" doesn't need to hammer nails because there's more than just one career and industry. The acceptable quality of the job output varies drastically too.

"It kind of boggles my mind" that people can't see beyond their own life.

Re: Samsung bans use of A.I. like ChatGPT for employees

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Post by xdavidliu » Tue, May 02, 2023, 5:16 PM UTC

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #65

croes wrote: post #55

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>Microsoft so far hasn't been hacked. How do you know?

Any hacker group would love to boost about it for the street cred or try to monetize it if they ever did, or there would be at least some chatter on the darknet about it which would be reported on in the media anyway. Nation states wouldn't, but it's safe to assume powerful nation states are already in every cloud provider, at least the US glowy boys anyway according to Snowden.

> Any hacker group would love to boost about it for the street cred or try to monetize it if they ever did, or there would be at least some chatter on the darknet about it which would be reported on in the media anyway.

And you are sure no hacker group has boasted, anywhere on the darknet, about hacking Microsoft? And even if that were true, you take that as strong evidence that Microsoft has not been hacked?

Re: Samsung bans use of A.I. like ChatGPT for employees

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Post by tjr » Tue, May 02, 2023, 5:19 PM UTC

kypro wrote: post #86

I'm not suggesting the concerns aren't valid, but I guess I don't understand why this same principal isn't applied to other internet connected / cloud software? Do these companies worry that web browsers like Chrome could leak data or applications like Google Docs? What is it about an AI chat bots that makes the risk of a data leak so much higher? Is something about OpenAI's ToS? Or it's relative infancy?

I have seen companies have rules about (or against) cloud computing in general. I remember when decent web-based translation services first came out, and the guidance from BigCorp was to not use them for anything work-related.

From what I personally have seen, this sort of guidance remains. When companies do use things like Google Docs or Microsoft Office365, they likely have some specific contract in place with Google / Microsoft / etc., that the company's legal team has decided they are happy with.

I anticipate that the same will eventually be true of ChatGPT and such, that there will be some paid corporate offering with contract terms that make the company lawyers happy.

Most of my career has been with larger companies, often with high data sensitivity; I can easily imagine that some smaller and/or less data-sensitive companies might not care about any of this.

Re: Samsung bans use of A.I. like ChatGPT for employees

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Post by sebzim4500 » Tue, May 02, 2023, 5:23 PM UTC

croes wrote: post #56

SushiHippie wrote: post #2

Funnily enough our company will start to roll out an internal ChatGPT UI with an agreement with Azure on not to use the data for training etc, where we would be allowed to share internal data.

How would you recognize if they use your data?

The same way you would recognize if Google was selling your GSuite data or Msft was selling your Office data.

Re: Samsung bans use of A.I. like ChatGPT for employees

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Post by nextworddev » Tue, May 02, 2023, 5:24 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #46

nextworddev wrote: post #44

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They offer white label instance? TIL

Yes they do. Also, these are completely without any of the safeguards that the public instances have. This 'on the record' by a Microsoft regional CEO that was pushing this pretty hard.

Sick. So they get pretty much the "base" model? That's almost too powerful