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I'm wondering why vercel chose upstash vs cloudflare kv store? I've worked on very large deployments of cloudflare workers + kv store and the performance is amazing (and pricing). It would seem to me that upstash would add hops/latency vs cloudflare kv store?
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I already lean away from S3/Azureblob/etc because their egress prices are terrible. .15/GB is borderline criminal.
What's a cheaper alternative that is of similar quality?
It's been the opposite for me.
Back around 2015-2016 I was very excited about cloud functions, serverless, etc, but these past years I've gone back to mostly running VMs with regular persistent apps.
Complexity has gone down considerably and there's zero lock in. With Docker I have full control over the platform and can run these apps pretty much anywhere I want and how I see fit.
With Fly it's trivial to get scale to zero. I wrote a little tutorial here recently:
https://community.fly.io/t/implementing-scale-to-zero-is-sup...
I still use some serverless stuff for very specific use cases, like enhancing a static site with a bit of backend logic, but definitely not as the main solution to run the bulk of my backend apps.
Serverless everywhere yields apps with massive latency & loading times and if timeouts aren’t well tuned (read: set unreasonably high) you often get dropped connections on api calls. I am currently migrating an app off vercel to raw compute (EC2) and the difference is night and day.
When you take a traditional tech stack, say LAMP on a dedicated server, performance is very constant overall. You even develop a type of muscle memory for it and adapt a click pace/flow when you use an application like that intensely.
No so much with cloud-native serverless. A page may respond fast and then 10 times slower the next time. There's just so many moving parts (virtualization, edge, cache, cold/warm compute, out of network dependencies, etc) that it feels random to a user.
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This isn't finalized yet, apologies for the confusion. We'll be updating the pricing for Blob shortly (it's in private beta and invite only). The pricing for KV and Postgres is up to date.
I already lean away from S3/Azureblob/etc because their egress prices are terrible. .15/GB is borderline criminal.
Cloudflare's R2 costs $0.36 per million read operations (after the 10 million you get for free) [1]. Vercel is wrapping R2 and is charging $2 per million reads [2]. They're also charging $0.15/GB for egress (after the 1GB you get free), when R2 charges nothing, and the storage cost is doubled from $0.015/GB on R2 to $0.03/GB on Vercel. That's quite the cost increase for the DX improvement. [1] https://developers.clou…
You will get better customer support from Vercel. Cloudflare gives almost zero customer support if you are pay-as-you-go plan.
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Does this mean I have to potentially deal with two vendors when there is an outage? Awesome!
That's their secret, Cap. You've always had to deal with multiple vendors when there's an outage. Vercel has never made it a secret that they're standing on the shoulders of Tier 1 Cloud giants for their hosting backend.
To me, the storage announcement + this blog really helped contextualize where Vercel sits. And I really like this approach. It’s what I’d want to build on. I love the partnerships with cos out of their core expertise like Neon, and existing integrations with supabase, planetscale, etc
I really wish this had been Fly or Supabase. I’ve used Neon and it is much less performant and often times completely non responsive. My company already uses Cloudflare so the rest isn’t a big change for us.
Can you elaborate on your issues with Neon? Interested to know
Cloudflare's R2 costs $0.36 per million read operations (after the 10 million you get for free) [1]. Vercel is wrapping R2 and is charging $2 per million reads [2]. They're also charging $0.15/GB for egress (after the 1GB you get free), when R2 charges nothing, and the storage cost is doubled from $0.015/GB on R2 to $0.03/GB on Vercel. That's quite the cost increase for the DX improvement. [1] https://developers.clou…
You will get better customer support from Vercel. Cloudflare gives almost zero customer support if you are pay-as-you-go plan.
Most of the engineers and product leaders on the teams that make the services check those channels daily and jump into help where they can. There's also a huge community of power users there called Community Champions who help out as well.