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Re: Nostr – Decentralized social network

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Post by sigmoid10 »

orbital-decay wrote: post #31
sigmoid10 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All these projects don't understand that it's not the principle of free communication or the idea of sharing content that made networks like twitter and facebook so successful. It was an army of engineers and designers working closely together with marketing people and even psychologists to maximise user engagement and retention. Heck, you could just endlessly recycle the same algorithmic content mixed with camouflag…

What makes you think their goal is succeeding on the broader scale, though?

From their website:

>Nostr is a protocol, designed for simplicity, that aims to create a censorship-resistant global social network.

So they basically want to create twitter without Musk (or anyone in charge for that matter). Nothing wrong with that goal, it's just highly unlikely to succeed given the fundamental shortcomings of this approach.

Re: Nostr – Decentralized social network

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Post by rchaud »

javier123454321 wrote: post #50
colesantiago wrote: post #42

This 'Nostr' thing will never take off, it has too much 'cryptocurrency' laden features that nobody asked for. yuck.

A culture of tipping for content you find valuable at the click of a button that works for people to cash out regardless of their jurisdiction is yucky to you? I guess, i see it as one of it's biggest selling points, however you can turn it off in some clients

What you're describing was tried with "steemit.com" and it ended as you would expect; lots and lots of spam.

Re: Nostr – Decentralized social network

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Post by rchaud »

sak5sk wrote: post #37
swypych wrote: post #27

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"1. Nostr is not a social network." Someone should really change the marketing CTA. "A decentralized social network with a chance of working" I can see why people would think this.

That's the beautiful part about Nostr, anyone can create a website and "sell" it any way they like.

any way they like...as long as it's in Bitcoin.

Re: Nostr – Decentralized social network

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Post by kylecazar »

cube2222 wrote: post #22

On the last HN thread about Nostr I've mentioned Bluesky, and talked about its qualities, including the separation of various duties, like the feed, moderation, storage, etc. into different entities that can be pluggable. Since that I got an invite (thank you, Sam!) and I'm even more bullish now (though I'm not much of a social media poster myself). Compared to Nostr it seems like there's a first-party "base" app tha…

The AT protocol is interesting to me, but I actually don't like Twitter's UX. The organization has always seemed off to me -- when Bluesky starts taking more people from the wait-list, I suppose I'll see if it's any better, but I'm glad it's only a 'reference' or initial front-end, and more will come.

Re: Nostr – Decentralized social network

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Post by malikNF »

INTPenis wrote: post #70
evilspammer wrote: post #51

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because 99.999% of cryptocurrency projects are scams

100% of it is a scam, the only reason you said 99.99 is because blockchain as a technology is worth something. But crypto coins themselves have no value at all in the real world. One pizza place here, and one bitcoin ATM there does not make a difference. As long as you can't trade real goods and services for crypto coins it is absolutely worthless. And that is why any association with crypto makes intelligent people…

>>But crypto coins themselves have no value at all in the real world.

Then proceeds to handpick what the real world uses of btc should be excluded from the argument.

No coiners are a special bunch.

Re: Nostr – Decentralized social network

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Post by thewataccount »

INTPenis wrote: post #70
evilspammer wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

because 99.999% of cryptocurrency projects are scams

100% of it is a scam, the only reason you said 99.99 is because blockchain as a technology is worth something. But crypto coins themselves have no value at all in the real world. One pizza place here, and one bitcoin ATM there does not make a difference. As long as you can't trade real goods and services for crypto coins it is absolutely worthless. And that is why any association with crypto makes intelligent people…

> As long as you can't trade real goods and services for crypto coins it is absolutely worthless.

As long as you can sell it for USD it's not worthless - you don't other goods/services - although that said the list of those is still growing.

The fact that I can send money (liquid fiat) to a friend without going through paypall/zello/etc. is valuable.

The only thing that could make it a "scam" is the promise of money, which I 100% agree that using crypto to "make money" is stupid and is a massive problem.

Re: Nostr – Decentralized social network

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Post by cube2222 »

stiltzkin wrote: post #86
cube2222 wrote: post #22

On the last HN thread about Nostr I've mentioned Bluesky, and talked about its qualities, including the separation of various duties, like the feed, moderation, storage, etc. into different entities that can be pluggable. Since that I got an invite (thank you, Sam!) and I'm even more bullish now (though I'm not much of a social media poster myself). Compared to Nostr it seems like there's a first-party "base" app tha…

What do you think of Bluesky TOS?

Anything in particular?

Re: Nostr – Decentralized social network

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Post by indigochill »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #85
kipchak wrote: post #38

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I think at least some number of people will grow burnt out on addictiveness and want something else. While it may not replace addictive social media there's still potentially substantial value there, which to me seems similar the internet pre Facebook.

To me that seems about as likely as drug addicts suddenly growing tired of shooting up stuff and going into gardening as a hobby instead. Sure, it's not theoretically impossible, but I definitely wouldn't start a gardening platform targeting those people. Pre-facebook basically means a 90s style forum with highly specialised zed communities. You don't need decentralised approaches for that.

> Pre-facebook basically means a 90s style forum with highly specialised zed communities. You don't need decentralised approaches for that.

For a number of years I was a forum moderator for a game forum called Uru Obsession. Eventually that wound down and the forum closed, meaning all those discussions have also been lost (unless someone backed them up - by the time they closed I had moved on, so I dunno), and that community as far as I know has mostly dissolved since its closure.

A gossip protocol means there is no host - clients communicate directly with each other and also store the conversation locally so someone else deciding to stop paying hosting costs becomes a non-issue.

Re: Nostr – Decentralized social network

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Post by int_19h »

INTPenis wrote: post #70
evilspammer wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

because 99.999% of cryptocurrency projects are scams

100% of it is a scam, the only reason you said 99.99 is because blockchain as a technology is worth something. But crypto coins themselves have no value at all in the real world. One pizza place here, and one bitcoin ATM there does not make a difference. As long as you can't trade real goods and services for crypto coins it is absolutely worthless. And that is why any association with crypto makes intelligent people…

Your last point directly contradicts the claim that "100% of it is a scam". People do actually buy and receive those illegal goods and services; you might not like that fact, but it certainly isn't a scam at that point.

And just so that we're clear, said "illegal goods" include, for example, generic drugs from other countries.

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