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FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by fraggle222 »

somenameforme wrote: post #24
perihelions wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main commentator stream was (reasonably) blindsided by Rg6, with comedic timing. Sachdev: "Rg6 is not a move that you'd consider here, right? It's the only move that I feel with black keeps the game going, but it looks more like a losing move than a winning attempt." Caruana: "If Rg6 is not better for white [Nepomniachtchi], I'd be shocked" Ding: [plays Rg6] https://youtu.be/cSxNZix1Xwc?t=16087

I do wonder if Fabiano Caruana (the commentator in question, world #7) is going to have some introspection following these events, because that pattern occurred several times during his commentary. He came up with endless (and completely valid) ways for both players to 'kill'/simplify/draw the games at various points, but the players chose far more ambitious routes ultimately culminating in the final game where it de…

I think Fabi is licking his chops thinking he can now finally be a world champion since Carlsen is out and Ding maybe won't be too hard to best. He predicted lots of lines in the match or saw better ones from his commentator chair (granted the eval bar helps a lot). But you are right he will have to take some risks probably.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by oldstrangers »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #82
oldstrangers wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be mad at FIDE for failing to adapt the match format to something less ridiculous. For years Magnus advocated for changing both the World Championship Cycle and the format of the games (classical, rapid, blitz). FIDE did nothing, as expected. Currently the World Chess Championship is just a collection of very talented chess players spending months having supercomputers evaluate positions looking for the slightest ima…

Having watched Karpov/Kasparov battles as a child, I don't think that the match format is ridiculous. I'd only change the tiebreaks rule to use the same time control as the main event.

Well yeah, the match format wasn't ridiculous in the 80s and 90s when it was still human prep vs human prep.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by treme »

lumb63 wrote: post #88

Does anyone have tips on how to watch chess? I got pretty into chess during lockdown. I read several books on the subject, was playing a few hours each day. I had friends who got into it as well, and they would watch the tournaments and high profile matches, but I couldn't enjoy them. I didn't feel like I understood the game enough, and the commentary sometimes went over my head/went by too quickly. Anyone been in th…

Highly recommend Chessnetwork vids

https://youtube.com/@ChessNetwork

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by saganus »

lumb63 wrote: post #88

Does anyone have tips on how to watch chess? I got pretty into chess during lockdown. I read several books on the subject, was playing a few hours each day. I had friends who got into it as well, and they would watch the tournaments and high profile matches, but I couldn't enjoy them. I didn't feel like I understood the game enough, and the commentary sometimes went over my head/went by too quickly. Anyone been in th…

You can watch chess streamers like Gothan Chess and similar. It makes games more aproachable to some degree.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by binarymax »

lumb63 wrote: post #88

Does anyone have tips on how to watch chess? I got pretty into chess during lockdown. I read several books on the subject, was playing a few hours each day. I had friends who got into it as well, and they would watch the tournaments and high profile matches, but I couldn't enjoy them. I didn't feel like I understood the game enough, and the commentary sometimes went over my head/went by too quickly. Anyone been in th…

The thing about watching chess that’s different from other games, is that it’s not obvious to inexperienced players when important things happen and why.

The only way is to increase your skill level. I played for years before I could appreciate a live game played at the IM or GM level.

At tournaments there’s typically a watch room with a board and a proctor that tries different lines and variations on the position. If you didn’t understand something then playing out the line would help understand the motivation.

Not sure if there’s a good proxy for that now, since honestly I haven’t played much since the advent of chess AI started offering far better analysis than a kibbitz room. But maybe there’s some software that can help with the explanation now.

But practicing is the only way to understand it. So if youre interested, keep at it!

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by vikingerik »

KaoruAoiShiho wrote: post #12

A lot of people (me included) thought this series was dire for Ding after watching him get crushed a few days ago by his opponent Nepo where Ding visibly froze and was in a state of total mental disarray after he couldn't decide on his move, wasted a ton of time, and ended up making a bad move anyways. Commenters said that this was Nepo's strength, even if he doesn't make the absolute greatest move he makes a good en…

The "Ding froze" assessment from game 7 was the fake-news media meme but wasn't the reality. He explained it after the fact. He knew what he was doing. He thought his position was lost, so he was calculating everything to look for a line to save a draw with perpetual checks / threefold repetition. He felt he had nothing to lose by expending all his time searching for that since he was going to lose anyway if he didn't find it. He was incorrect in evaluating his position as worse than it was (remember the players don't get the computer analysis numbers), but he wasn't incorrect in his time management stemming from that evaluation.

The same went for Nepo's supposed "tilt" in the last WCC match against Carlsen, that was media exaggeration. He lost one game with one mistake, so then had to push into risky positions after that in hopes of catching up, since he had nothing more to lose in match terms. The big discrepancy in score for that match wasn't domination, it was an artifact of the meta-factor of playing for high variance.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by htag »

ginnungagap wrote: post #56
somenameforme wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was also extremely odd to me that there was no Chinese press there. Ding's English is not excellent, and to not be able to catch his first moments in his native tongue seems to have been a major failing of the Chinese press.

Ding was offered a translator but insisted on speaking English himself apparently! "He said he didn’t need a translator since, “I feel very comfortable now,” " from https://chess24.com/en/read/news/ding-liren-passes-acid-test...

I've seen international competitions where the winner is interviewed by a reporter from their home country in their native language. It can often be a nice touch, and is very different from using a translator to speak to English speaking reports.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by mtlmtlmtlmtl »

matsemann wrote: post #58
mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are they supposed to do, not have a world championship? It's happened before when Fischer refused to defend the title. And yet Karpov got the title without having beaten Fischer, who he probably wouldn't have beaten in a match even if Fischer was nutty bananas at the time. But at least he had played a match to win the candidates tournament at the time. This time around, Ian hadn't won a match, and so the match m…

> What are they supposed to do, not have a world championship? Perhaps change the format. Carlsen stepped down, because it's too much preparation year after year. And with him being the GOAT, everyone was always preparing defensively and hoping for a blunder, making it somewhat "boring" games (quotes, as in draws doesn't have to be boring).

But doing that when Carlsen announced his forfeit after the candidates would be silly. If there's a time to change the format, it's now before the next cycle begins, not in the middle of the previous cycle.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by xapata »

binarymax wrote: post #95
lumb63 wrote: post #88

Does anyone have tips on how to watch chess? I got pretty into chess during lockdown. I read several books on the subject, was playing a few hours each day. I had friends who got into it as well, and they would watch the tournaments and high profile matches, but I couldn't enjoy them. I didn't feel like I understood the game enough, and the commentary sometimes went over my head/went by too quickly. Anyone been in th…

The thing about watching chess that’s different from other games, is that it’s not obvious to inexperienced players when important things happen and why. The only way is to increase your skill level. I played for years before I could appreciate a live game played at the IM or GM level. At tournaments there’s typically a watch room with a board and a proctor that tries different lines and variations on the position. I…

I think many games have important events that aren't obvious to inexperienced players/spectators. In football/soccer, for example, off-the-ball movement is very important, but usually ignored by inexperienced players.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by xtreme »

lumb63 wrote: post #88

Does anyone have tips on how to watch chess? I got pretty into chess during lockdown. I read several books on the subject, was playing a few hours each day. I had friends who got into it as well, and they would watch the tournaments and high profile matches, but I couldn't enjoy them. I didn't feel like I understood the game enough, and the commentary sometimes went over my head/went by too quickly. Anyone been in th…

Agadmator on YouTube makes excellent post-game analysis videos: https://www.youtube.com/@agadmator/videos
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