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Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by finnish-food »

automatic6131 wrote: post #87
finnish-food wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“ living in the Golden era.” If you actually lived in a Golden Era entertainment would be free, quality, and meant to enrich the people instead of advertise and moralize to them. I really don’t understand how a DVD collection is an “essential service” either. Or why you would effectively choose not to look at your watching statistics and then simply buy the media you watch the most. https://www.ebay.ca/itm/1345034685…

>meant to enrich the people >not to moralize to them I feel the current crop of writers employed by Disney, Netflix, Amazon etc. cannot tell the difference between these two.

No they cannot. And I am not just speaking in abstract terms, in the 1960s and 1970s (and even before) many shows were made that had a moral core but did not moralize at the audience.

Shows like Star Trek, The Outer Limits, Twilight Zone, etc. which would question or discuss complex ideas without turning them into soap operas or basic dramas.

The only shows that I can think of like that now are Black Mirror or perhaps your odd HBO offering, but those are not shining examples, and often, even if they do discuss or engage with deeper concepts or ideas, it’s not handled in a way that allows for nuance. (Black Mirror is happy to be quite crass at moments, same with HBO and other “top-tier” shows.)

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by m4tthumphrey »

finnish-food wrote: post #68
dmix wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I used to get YT premium from my sis's boyfriend, but they detected I'm not in the family household and they kicked me out. I'm surprised you achieved that at all. Google accounts are locked down hardcore... As it should be My gf wanted me to share my ChatGPT plus account but I signed up via Gmail and it was impossible. All of these sites can easily lock it down but choose not to. We're probably living in the Golde…

“ living in the Golden era.” If you actually lived in a Golden Era entertainment would be free, quality, and meant to enrich the people instead of advertise and moralize to them. I really don’t understand how a DVD collection is an “essential service” either. Or why you would effectively choose not to look at your watching statistics and then simply buy the media you watch the most. https://www.ebay.ca/itm/1345034685…

Convenience and discoverability?

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by jokethrowaway »

Varqu wrote: post #65
MadSudaca wrote: post #42

It's funny. Right now I have access to around 5 streaming services while I only pay for 2. My girlfriend's friend has access to Netflix, my sis HBO. I provide access to Disney+ and Prime to my family. I used to get YT premium from my sis's boyfriend, but they detected I'm not in the family household and they kicked me out. If it wasn't because other people use my accounts (and I use theirs), I wouldn't be paying for…

It's interesting to see that free market competition actually worsened the customer offering when it comes to streaming services. Back in the days, Netflix was a one-to-see-all service and that was also one of the reasons why it took people from torrenting to paying for movies. Nowadays, if you want to watch a particular movie, you have maybe a 10% chance that it is available on the streaming service that you are cur…

This is because the free market is a killer for monopolies, unless government regulation kicks in.

I'd rather pay for the single item I'm consuming than for thousands I'm not paying.

The big innovation streaming services really brought was lowering the price for the crap content people watch and subsidising with people who buy the service and don't use it a lot. That's how they become better than piracy, not by centralisation (piracy is also incredibly decentralised) but by offering content at a reasonable price.

Let's say netflix costs 10$ a month and I watch 20 movies a month. 50c is a reasonable amount so I'm happy with my netflix subscription. Of course if I could pay 0.50$ to watch a movie I like I would just outright buy it - and not pirate it.

The problem with the industry is that content is overpriced. When piracy was a thing that just meant people were valuing the content at less than it was being sold. Sure, a percentage would convert anyway no matter the price, the rest would pirate it.

I sincerely hope we get rid of centralised services and we just end up with micro transactions to buy movies for cheap.

I think once AI will be used more in content production we will get there.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by brnt »

m000 wrote: post #75
MadSudaca wrote: post #42

It's funny. Right now I have access to around 5 streaming services while I only pay for 2. My girlfriend's friend has access to Netflix, my sis HBO. I provide access to Disney+ and Prime to my family. I used to get YT premium from my sis's boyfriend, but they detected I'm not in the family household and they kicked me out. If it wasn't because other people use my accounts (and I use theirs), I wouldn't be paying for…

> If they close the door to account sharing, maybe the subscriptions will start falling like domino pieces. If people turn out to not watch that much content to warrant 3-4 subscriptions per (strict) household, I wonder if this could lead to a Highlander-like streaming showdown: There can be only one. The thing there is that Netflix should try to avoid the showdown, not push towards it, because they are the least equ…

Netflix has a looooooong arm of international content. Which is probably an important reason why they are by far the largest internationally. I don't see anyone replicating that anytime soon.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by dmix »

finnish-food wrote: post #68
dmix wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I used to get YT premium from my sis's boyfriend, but they detected I'm not in the family household and they kicked me out. I'm surprised you achieved that at all. Google accounts are locked down hardcore... As it should be My gf wanted me to share my ChatGPT plus account but I signed up via Gmail and it was impossible. All of these sites can easily lock it down but choose not to. We're probably living in the Golde…

“ living in the Golden era.” If you actually lived in a Golden Era entertainment would be free, quality, and meant to enrich the people instead of advertise and moralize to them. I really don’t understand how a DVD collection is an “essential service” either. Or why you would effectively choose not to look at your watching statistics and then simply buy the media you watch the most. https://www.ebay.ca/itm/1345034685…

Is this a serious question? Why am I not buying DVDs on eBay?

At least ask why I'm not pirating it 24/7 when I already have an Android box connected to my TV w/ Kodi installed with 3rd party pirate extensions which gives me up-to-date lists of every show/movie available on Netflix/Hulu/Disney/etc (including their trending and genre based lists) with each show being a single click backed via 10 different HTTP pirate streaming servers they index...with the alternative of another app which let's me search any torrent movie ever and stream them on demand via my Fibre internet connection.

I use Netflix etc because

a) the recommendation algorithms are better than any 3rd party service like Reelgood hopes to be even with OSS plugins that track my torrents

b) I live with 3 "normal" people in my house who don't care to navigate the imperfect UI of my Kodi streaming/torrent apps no matter how many times I tell them it's better and has everything they need and more for "free"

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by ricardobayes »

Varqu wrote: post #65
MadSudaca wrote: post #42

It's funny. Right now I have access to around 5 streaming services while I only pay for 2. My girlfriend's friend has access to Netflix, my sis HBO. I provide access to Disney+ and Prime to my family. I used to get YT premium from my sis's boyfriend, but they detected I'm not in the family household and they kicked me out. If it wasn't because other people use my accounts (and I use theirs), I wouldn't be paying for…

It's interesting to see that free market competition actually worsened the customer offering when it comes to streaming services. Back in the days, Netflix was a one-to-see-all service and that was also one of the reasons why it took people from torrenting to paying for movies. Nowadays, if you want to watch a particular movie, you have maybe a 10% chance that it is available on the streaming service that you are cur…

The only good one these days seem to be movie rental on youtube. That has the biggest catalog

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by jones6ofMont »

m000 wrote: post #75
MadSudaca wrote: post #42

It's funny. Right now I have access to around 5 streaming services while I only pay for 2. My girlfriend's friend has access to Netflix, my sis HBO. I provide access to Disney+ and Prime to my family. I used to get YT premium from my sis's boyfriend, but they detected I'm not in the family household and they kicked me out. If it wasn't because other people use my accounts (and I use theirs), I wouldn't be paying for…

> If they close the door to account sharing, maybe the subscriptions will start falling like domino pieces. If people turn out to not watch that much content to warrant 3-4 subscriptions per (strict) household, I wonder if this could lead to a Highlander-like streaming showdown: There can be only one. The thing there is that Netflix should try to avoid the showdown, not push towards it, because they are the least equ…

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Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by rickdeckard »

vidarh wrote: post #13
rickdeckard wrote: post #4

Worth to note: Not 1M _PAYING_ users (THAT would be interesting news). They lost 1M users who watch Netflix according to an external household survey

But note that it correlates to a loss of paying users too . "Only" 2/3 of those users were sharing a password. There's another danger here for them, and that is cultural. Currently e.g. my girlfriend users my password. It means we both watch the same things, and talk about things that are on Netflix, and that serves as a reason for me to keep watching Netflix too. A whole lot of my Netflix watching is down to her. If…

> As long as people keep watching Netflix they have a chance to convert them to paying users.

I'm not rejecting this (and I'm also not a fan of Netflix's practice here), but when REALLY thinking about it, how would that work practically without devaluing your product/service?

If people are repeatedly sneaking into your cinema and you don't crack down on them, but let them watch every time because one day they may buy a ticket, what's a path to conversion here...?

The only values provided are the content itself and the quality of service. NOT restricting access to the content but making it less convenient for everyone will just devalue your service...

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by elAhmo »

pallas_athena wrote: post #86
Varqu wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting to see that free market competition actually worsened the customer offering when it comes to streaming services. Back in the days, Netflix was a one-to-see-all service and that was also one of the reasons why it took people from torrenting to paying for movies. Nowadays, if you want to watch a particular movie, you have maybe a 10% chance that it is available on the streaming service that you are cur…

It would be all better (for the customer) if video streaming services were like music streaming services. Want to hear an album? it's on Spotify / Apple Music / Deezer / Qobuz... You pick the one that offers the best user experience (or unique features like HD songs). Exclusives are basically non-existent.

This is quite hard to achieve with original comment getting the spotlight and being a differentiator between services. For "the rest" of the content, I think the situation is pretty much close to streaming services with music.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by mypastself »

Varqu wrote: post #65
MadSudaca wrote: post #42

It's funny. Right now I have access to around 5 streaming services while I only pay for 2. My girlfriend's friend has access to Netflix, my sis HBO. I provide access to Disney+ and Prime to my family. I used to get YT premium from my sis's boyfriend, but they detected I'm not in the family household and they kicked me out. If it wasn't because other people use my accounts (and I use theirs), I wouldn't be paying for…

It's interesting to see that free market competition actually worsened the customer offering when it comes to streaming services. Back in the days, Netflix was a one-to-see-all service and that was also one of the reasons why it took people from torrenting to paying for movies. Nowadays, if you want to watch a particular movie, you have maybe a 10% chance that it is available on the streaming service that you are cur…

The competition against another media giant, Blockbuster, created Netflix in the first place. It wasn’t a state-owned monopoly.
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