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Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by PragmaticPulp »

emacdona wrote: post #22
duskwuff wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you want to "stop pirates", make it easy for them to give you money and watch their favorite sport. I don't disagree, but that isn't something Mux is in a position to do. They just provide video streaming infrastructure -- they're in no position to demand that various sports broadcast rightsholders change their policies.

That's fair. My main objection is labeling _everyone_ as "pirates". Technically, yes, they are pirating the steam. But some of those people are also PAYING to watch plenty of games in whatever sport they are "pirating" streams for. Calling these people "pirates" fails to acknowledge that they are also "paying customers" who are frustrated with how complicated it has become to pay for the product they want to watch.

> My main objection is labeling _everyone_ as "pirates". Technically, yes, they are pirating the steam.

They (Mux) aren't doing that. The blog specifically talks about going after the people using their platform to distribute the streams, not the people trying to view them.

Having your service used to distribute pirated material is not good. Becomes a big liability, especially if you aren't proactive in trying to stop it.

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by ricktdotorg »

as a UK bloke in the US who supports a non-premier league team (Sunderland, currently in the EFL), i am legit screwed when it comes to wanting to pay to watch my team. it is literally impossible to pay to view while i reside in the USA. i want to pay, but i can't!

hulu told me i could bundle EFL with Disney (!) but i was never able to see any Sunderland games on Hulu so i cancelled.

EFL streams are hard to find, but in the absense of being able to pay to view, i will take anything i can.

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by 12907835202 »

temp_praneshp wrote: post #62
esharte wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you lived in the UK, supported Tottenham and wanted to watch all their games in the 2021/22 season you had to: Subscribe to Sky Sports (around £50-60 a month) for the Premier League games. Subscribe to BT Sports (30 a month) for the Saturday early kick off Premier League games and the Europa Conference League games. Subscribe to Amazon Prime for the 3 random weeks when they are showing the Premier League games ins…

If you watch Tottenham despite all that, you deserve the pain their football causes. Jokes apart, is the BT Sports "early kick off games" completely different from the Sky Sports game you mentioned? That's ridiculous. I was in England in Summer 2019 for the cricket world cup, and was shocked at how difficult it was to watch the games on TV. Wimbledon was very easy though, so maybe Tennis is way more popular?

Tennis is definitely not more popular.

It's odd that you seem to think popularity = it would be easier.

Soccer's popularity is what causes this issue because there is so much money to be made by splitting it up and selling to multiple companies rather than just one cheap, easy solution.

If Tennis attempted the same it would be so detrimental to its viewership it wouldn't be able to survive.

Unlike soccer which is so popular it can get away with it.

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by antman »

esharte wrote: post #31
emacdona wrote: post #8

Sigh... f*ck sports leagues/governing bodies. The reason some honest people pirate streams for sporting events is because they make it so annoying to pay for them. Some examples... I live in the US. I briefly took an interest in the EPL. If I wanted to watch all EPL games (or have the option of watching any particular EPL game), I'd have to subscribe to Peacock _and_ Fubo -- and I'm still not sure that gets me all ga…

If you lived in the UK, supported Tottenham and wanted to watch all their games in the 2021/22 season you had to: Subscribe to Sky Sports (around £50-60 a month) for the Premier League games. Subscribe to BT Sports (30 a month) for the Saturday early kick off Premier League games and the Europa Conference League games. Subscribe to Amazon Prime for the 3 random weeks when they are showing the Premier League games ins…

What is the 3pm saturday blackout?

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by komali2 »

duskwuff wrote: post #24

So, a lot of users in this thread seem to be misunderstanding what Mux is, and how the "soccer pirates" interact with their service. Let me clarify: Mux is a streaming infrastructure provider. They provide services for companies who want to stream video to their users -- news web sites, video chat services, etc. Kind of like web hosting, but specifically for video. They are not a video content provider; they do not s…

In that case, isn't this a similar situation platforms like Twitter or Youtube find themselves in, where they don't want to take full responsibility for moderation or suddenly they're liable for all the harmful content on their platforms, but on the other hand they're forced to moderate just enough to avoid governments forcing them to be on the hook?

It seems like such a weird place to be in.

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by FredPret »

emacdona wrote: post #8

Sigh... f*ck sports leagues/governing bodies. The reason some honest people pirate streams for sporting events is because they make it so annoying to pay for them. Some examples... I live in the US. I briefly took an interest in the EPL. If I wanted to watch all EPL games (or have the option of watching any particular EPL game), I'd have to subscribe to Peacock _and_ Fubo -- and I'm still not sure that gets me all ga…

I wish every sport had an f1.com style offering. I’d gladly pay several sports some money, but no. They insist on the old way

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by factotvm »

karlshea wrote: post #58
mobilio wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Coming soon - Apple TV! They also bidding for Premier League...

MLS Season Pass on Apple TV has been great. Way better content, way better stream quality, and no blackouts. Such a better experience than the hodgepodge of OTA TV, ESPN, ESPN+, FS1, RSNs etc that it has been in previous seasons.

It’s been great in many ways, but the user interface is horrible. Why they show the scores on the thumbnail for replays is beyond me. Time shifting is all about not knowing the outcome beforehand. It’s as if this was created by people who don’t understand sport ball at all. But I don’t know what excuse they can use for burying the replays in the first place such that I found others on the web thinking the same as me—that only recaps are available for past matches.

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by TechBro8615 »

waveBidder wrote: post #64
taneq wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can also just share your library with another account.

done this, the whole account gets locked iirc, and not just specific games

Wait, Steam offers you a "share library" feature but then locks your account when you use it?!

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by TechBro8615 »

duskwuff wrote: post #24

So, a lot of users in this thread seem to be misunderstanding what Mux is, and how the "soccer pirates" interact with their service. Let me clarify: Mux is a streaming infrastructure provider. They provide services for companies who want to stream video to their users -- news web sites, video chat services, etc. Kind of like web hosting, but specifically for video. They are not a video content provider; they do not s…

Regardless, the tone of the post made me dislike Mux, whereas before I had a neutral opinion of them.

I'm left wondering if they also forward these details to the copyright holders or the FBI.

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by taneq »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #98
waveBidder wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

done this, the whole account gets locked iirc, and not just specific games

Wait, Steam offers you a "share library" feature but then locks your account when you use it?!

Not as in an account ban, it just only lets one copy of the game in question (or one game total? Haven't used it much) run at any given time. No different to lending your friend a Nintendo cartridge, except that it requires less running around. :)
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