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Re: System D

#91

Oh, this is what goes in Italian as "l'arte di arrangiarsi" (the art of hacking it, or something like that). Tho it might lack the urgency factor. It's a very old concept, everything old is new again, I guess.

> Oh, this is what goes in Italian as "l'arte di arrangiarsi"

Yeah, very similar concept.

> It's a very old concept, everything old is new again

Nobody said it was new, though… Or exclusively French, although the French name is marginally better known.

Re: System D

#92

Reminds me of Pratchett and the adaptability of the Quirmians when muddy old boots were substituted for the original ingredients ... "... let's see ... Mousse de la Boue dans un Panier de la Pâte de Chaussures ..." (... I don't now if this was simply Pratchett's standard cynicism / semi-jaundiced take on humanity, as applied in a standard enough way to French restaurants, or more directly related. Pratchett did have…

> I don't now if this was simply Pratchett's standard cynicism / semi-jaundiced take on humanity

It’s Pratchett, so most probably a bit of each. Plus a healthy dose of piss taking.

As a side note, I would not use “cynicism” for Pratchett. Whilst there is some of it, cynicism has become associated with mindless reactionary contrarianism, which is very, very far from Pratchett’s general optimism.

Re: System D

#93
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I learned the term while learning french, working for Médecins sans Frontières Suisse. It was most definitely translated as démerde, not débrouiller.

I'm french, and both "se débrouiller" and "se démerder" mean exactly the same thing. "se démerder" is just more familiar/foul.

I would mostly use the familiar version if someone or an organization explicitly created the situation, like I must go to the post office but it's only open during my work hour, and closed the only day I can take an hour off. And System D is really débrouille to me

Re: System D

#94
post #83

So: responding to difficulties by taking shortcuts, disregarding regulations, sometimes cheating, all to achieve your goal or a semblance of it. Hustle?

Hustle would be a possible translation but in my understanding only if your System D involve something illegal or is meant to generate money (eg take the bus without paying to get to your job before getting your first pay). System D is broader than that.

Re: System D

#96
post #64

I might be dense, but I really have little idea of what System D _actually_ is in practice after reading this. Can anyone ELI5 what it is in practice? What are some of the ideas that allows one to débrouiller, etc... ?

An example from the software world: Back in the misty days of Not Too Long Ago, there was a Jira add-on called nFeed. It allowed you to hook external databases to Jira using SQL queries and display the query results for users. Note I said display but not search for , which became a sticking point: The nontechnical users could see all the data from the Microsoft CRM internal database (and getting data out of that was…

Another example:

I was working as a service tech for a hardware company. We had an order come in for 1200 off something that needed to ship in 4 days. The rub was that the firmware needed to be updated over RS232, and it only supported COM1. We realized if we did one at a time we wouldn’t have enough people to finish even 300 of them. We didn’t have any way to get ahold of the original developer in Japan. So I opened the program in a hex editor and started looking for the string COM1. When I found it I changed it to COM2, then 3, then 4 to produce 4 separate programs that we could run side by side.

Re: System D

#97
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s what I think too, but FWIW, geocrasher is quoting the “see also” section of the article. It doesn’t have a citation and I can’t find any other references to it, though.

Poettering more or less establishes that systemd was directly inspired by both Upstart and launchd: [0] > I hope that I managed to explain in the text above why we came up with something new, instead of building on Upstart or launchd. That, and another dozen mentions of launchd whenever it talks about socket and bus activation, strongly suggests to me that the “d” would be for daemon, just like in launchd. [0]: https…

Also:

> Yes, it is written systemd, not system D or System D, or even SystemD. And it isn't system d either. Why? Because it's a system daemon, and under Unix/Linux those are in lower case, and get suffixed with a lower case d. And since systemd manages the system, it's called systemd. It's that simple. But then again, if all that appears too simple to you, call it (but never spell it!) System Five Hundred since D is the roman numeral for 500 (this also clarifies the relation to System V, right?). The only situation where we find it OK to use an uppercase letter in the name (but don't like it either) is if you start a sentence with systemd. On high holidays you may also spell it sÿstëmd. But then again, Système D is not an acceptable spelling and something completely different

Definitely a reference to being a daemon.

https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/

Re: System D

#98
> ...a synonym of "to hack it" in English

So HN might as well be called "System D News" in an alternate universe...

Re: System D

#99
post #83

So: responding to difficulties by taking shortcuts, disregarding regulations, sometimes cheating, all to achieve your goal or a semblance of it. Hustle?

Hustle would be a possible translation but in my understanding only if your System D involve something illegal or is meant to generate money (eg take the bus without paying to get to your job before getting your first pay). System D is broader than that.

Can you give an example of System D that is not related to generating money or something illegal?

The examples I’ve seen were mostly about selling one kind of food as another, more expensive. E.g.: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35671220

> System D, arguably, reached its heyday in the Victorian-era railway hotels, where the menus were huge and it was not unusual for an extra two hundred guests to show up wanting, say, the Fricasse of Lobster Thermidor — for which only fifty portions were available. Suddenly, Thermidor for fifty was transformed into Thermidor for two hundred. Don't ask how. You don't want to know.

Re: System D

#100
post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hustle would be a possible translation but in my understanding only if your System D involve something illegal or is meant to generate money (eg take the bus without paying to get to your job before getting your first pay). System D is broader than that.

Can you give an example of System D that is not related to generating money or something illegal? The examples I’ve seen were mostly about selling one kind of food as another, more expensive. E.g.: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35671220 > System D, arguably, reached its heyday in the Victorian-era railway hotels, where the menus were huge and it was not unusual for an extra two hundred guests to show up wantin…

Could be organizational, like there's a transport strike so you create a Google sheet based carpooling system that you share with colleagues coupled with a facebook page where each person that goes to the station shares up to date info and you involve your grandma that happens to own a van in the process.

Look for BlaBlaCar history it's basically that, carpooling is specifically popular in France.

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