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Re: Changes to Tailscale Pricing and Plans

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Post by leodag »

JAlexoid wrote: post #34
hjuutilainen wrote: post #3

I just got an email about this and here’s what they say: > Your plan is unaffected and you can continue to use the Personal Pro plan as you normally do. However, Tailscale's new Free plan includes nearly everything that Tailscale has to offer for up to 3 users on a custom domain and 100 devices. This plan may be more aligned with how you use Tailscale. Go to the Billing page in the admin console to review your option…

Irony is that you get less features, according to their pricing feature graph...

They said he should reconsider if the free plan covers his usage, not that he'd get the same features. Which could be true if e.g you were only paying so you could get more than one user.

Re: Changes to Tailscale Pricing and Plans

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Post by nottorp »

andrew-d wrote: post #70
2Gkashmiri wrote: post #44

What... Benefit does tailscale offer over zerotier? 1. It doesn't have accounts so you have to use gmail or Microsoft sso and risk being fucked that way.

As of about a month ago, you can also sign up to Tailscale with any OIDC-compatible identity provider, so if you don't want to use Gmail or Microsoft you can self-host your own! https://tailscale.com/blog/custom-oidc/

Seriously, if you use one of their recommended identity providers and their "AI" bans you, can you change your access controls on tailscale to another provider? Ideally without physical access to the other machines.

The list of identity providers is just ginormous companies that are likely to automatically ban accounts.

Re: Changes to Tailscale Pricing and Plans

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Post by mostcallmeyt »

subarctic wrote: post #89
gilbertbw wrote: post #40

I'm a big Tailscale proponent, implementing it at work in early 2020. But for us I'm not sure this is great news. We have a small Tailnet of 5 users, paying $30 for the Team plan. If we went for Starter we'd save $18, but loose a lot of cool things Tailscale has come out with recently that we have been looking at, like user/group level ACLs, ACL Gitops,Tailscale SSH and Tailscale Funnel. Alternatively we'd pay $36 fo…

So they used to have a $6/month/user plan that included Funnel and SSH, but now they moved those to the $18/month/user plan? That doesn't sound great, and it's disappointing that that's not even mentioned in the article

Yeah. I had a feeling of dread when I saw the "Changes to your Tailscale plan" email subject, but then was positively surprised by many of the changes. For smaller companies, getting the first three users for free will also be nice.

Previously almost all features were available [0] on all plans, though with certain restrictions that made sense (and some that didn't). I was hitting those limits and wanted to get approval for us to purchase the Team plan.

But now I see that features have been stripped out of the "new" Team plan — and was also frustrated that I couldn't find any information on this. I guess overall the pricing structure makes sense for them, but it's frustrating to not have this clearer in their article.

I suppose I can live without things like Funnel and SSH, and don't need Okta etc., but paying the new ACL tax for Starter to Premium (a $12 jump per user) is more painful.

Overall a positive, but with rough edges which unfortunately hurt me. But perhaps there'll be some tweaks in future, and perhaps again the opportunity to pay for individual feature upgrades.

[0]: https://web.archive.org/web/20230417141600/https://tailscale...

Re: Changes to Tailscale Pricing and Plans

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Post by mostcallmeyt »

oritsnile wrote: post #75
gilbertbw wrote: post #40

I'm a big Tailscale proponent, implementing it at work in early 2020. But for us I'm not sure this is great news. We have a small Tailnet of 5 users, paying $30 for the Team plan. If we went for Starter we'd save $18, but loose a lot of cool things Tailscale has come out with recently that we have been looking at, like user/group level ACLs, ACL Gitops,Tailscale SSH and Tailscale Funnel. Alternatively we'd pay $36 fo…

I'm in the same boat, ssh is our most used feature, also quite an odd decision to give the free plan more features than the Starter.

Yeah, I thought the webpage was broken when I saw it! :D

I can understand that things like SSH and Funnel cost more, since they actually interact with their server infrastructure… but the removal of features and ACLs from Starter wasn't well communicated.

Re: Changes to Tailscale Pricing and Plans

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Post by codethief »

I've been looking into using Tailscale/Headscale but I've been struggling[0] to find in-depth information about what security risk the coordination server poses (should it get hacked). Yes, the node list can be locked but the ACL cannot(?) So if I, say, run the Headscale coordination server on one of the devices that are part of my Tailnet, wouldn't an attacker that controls the coordination server automatically get access to my entire Tailnet, including SSH access to every device? So is the conclusion

- Always lock your node list, whether you use Tailscale or Headscale.

- If you use Headscale, run the coordination server entirely separately from your Tailnet.

?

[0]: https://forum.tailscale.com/t/tailscale-security-what-if-the... )

Re: Changes to Tailscale Pricing and Plans

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Post by sconi »

codethief wrote: post #96

I've been looking into using Tailscale/Headscale but I've been struggling[0] to find in-depth information about what security risk the coordination server poses (should it get hacked). Yes, the node list can be locked but the ACL cannot(?) So if I, say, run the Headscale coordination server on one of the devices that are part of my Tailnet, wouldn't an attacker that controls the coordination server automatically get…

Curious why you want to run Headscale? Is it purely to avoid the risks of the coordination server?

Re: Changes to Tailscale Pricing and Plans

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Post by redsaz »

sleepybrett wrote: post #81
KMnO4 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plex provides remote access without needing any additional services. Just enable it in the settings and you can access your library anywhere when you log in to plex.tv.

it sure does, and i'm not sure it's great. Didn't the bitwarden hack happen via a plex server on an engineers network?

Surely you mean LastPass, right? Or did the same thing happen to BitWarden?

Re: Changes to Tailscale Pricing and Plans

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Post by jarym »

george88b wrote: post #47

I am not sure why Tailscale is always on Hackernews. For example, Twingate allows 5 free users and supports more complex use case without requiring a subnet router. They generally have stronger enterprise features as well.

TailScale is the HN darling - open source and great for stitching together computers across networks.

Most organisations though are looking at the NetSkope/ZScaler/Perimeter81s of the world and that's where Twingate seems to be picking up the business. It goes beyond the connectivity and has things like non-intrusive device controls which are essential for a lot of places that are in fin tech or have to do SOC2, etc.

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