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AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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Re: AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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Post by shadowgovt »

capableweb wrote: post #85
eru wrote: post #72

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Of course, what you do is publish plenty of different hashes on the block chain(s) of your choice. Then you can later reveal what you feel like.

Don't really have to involve blockchain here (yet again), publishing on a website and letting Internet Archive archive it is good enough. Or even posting it on Twitter/HN/$social-media-with-edit-limit

Oh, so now we're trusting Internet Archive to not be compromised by hostile actors?

(/sarc; I love seeing how far one can go down the opsec paranoia rabbit hole if one really tries. ;) ).

Re: AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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Post by thenickdude »

layer8 wrote: post #84
Kuinox wrote: post #18

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Or... Extract the keys from the camera.

Unlikely, if they use a secure enclave or similar.

When Canon did this, the signing key was the same for every camera of the same model, and you could extract it by running code on the camera. I don't have faith in camera companies implementing this properly.

https://web.archive.org/web/20120125045005/http://www.elcoms...

Re: AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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Post by spicyusername »

azubinski wrote: post #77
spicyusername wrote: post #27

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I disagree. Too many people happily go along with the status quo, despite correctly recognizing something should be changed. It takes energy, courage, and sacrifice to create change. A body at rest will remain at rest unless acted up on by an outside force. In this case, this author correctly recognized that its better to force the conversation now, himself, than let things play themselves out naturally.

Excuse me, but what kind of "changes" are you talking about? Professionalism is primarily built on trust, including a mutual trust in professional systems. Therefore, students are not allowed to cheat on exams, for example (not only for this reason, of course, but also for this reason). If you think that the destruction of the system of mutual trust is some kind of "change", then I want to upset you, because such "ch…

I appreciate your idealism, but the unfortunate reality is that we cannot simply hope people will do the right thing and it will be so.

    Now the organizers of professional photography competitions will not trust photographers, and photographers will not trust the organizers of competitions.
The entire point of this exercise was to point out exactly that organizers SHOULD NOT trust photographers. That these systems must be built without trust in mind, or the competitions are quickly going to become worthless.

Re: AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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Post by hammyhavoc »

aenvoker wrote: post #71
hammyhavoc wrote: post #22

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And I can tell the difference between tube amps, profilers and modellers in both feel and tone, but it's good enough for the average Joe that they won't care if they like the image or sound. It only serves to illustrate the point that trying to evaluate the best x work is futile because tastes vary. Personally, I don't like the image, nor do I like any AI-generated "art" thus far. I'm a big camera wonk and a tone cha…

Camera wonking is great, but if you don’t like any AI art, that suggests you are rejecting the concept out of hand. Being so low-barrier, there is naturally a flood of images from beginners who are just futzing around. But, I hear a common refrain that sounds to me like “DeviantART.com has millions of sketches from bored 13 year olds. Therefore I don’t consider pencil to be an artistic medium.” I’d be interested in y…

It's not so much a rejection of concept, I just find that it does nothing for me emotionally or intellectually.

I had a scroll through the Twitter profile, and whilst at least unusual in terms of content, I close the app and remember none of it. None of it is bold enough to be memorable compositionally for me. It's competent, sure, it's just unremarkable and lacks humanity. Does that mean it's "bad"? It's just not for me, in the same way I don't care for tuna even though I acknowledge that plenty of people enjoy eating tuna.

Re: AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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Post by layer8 »

thenickdude wrote: post #93
layer8 wrote: post #84

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Unlikely, if they use a secure enclave or similar.

When Canon did this, the signing key was the same for every camera of the same model, and you could extract it by running code on the camera. I don't have faith in camera companies implementing this properly. https://web.archive.org/web/20120125045005/http://www.elcoms...

Hence the “if”. The technology exists, and is for example in widespread use in smart cards, smartphones, and laptops. The article you link to is also from 2010, so the Canon development is probably 15 years old or more. I would expect a better level of security awareness by now.

Re: AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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Post by eru »

shagie wrote: post #83
eru wrote: post #73

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> And so what if you sign the EXIF data. That only really guarantees that version of the image. If you adjust the saturation or curves or exposure... or correct for some lens aberration does that EXIF information still match the resulting photo? For that matter, what if you crop it to a square from a rectangle or stitch two images into a panorama? Oh, that's actually possible with cryptographic techniques. Very excit…

Those are interesting, but there's a difference in the manipulations that are done for image for journalism and image for art. That has crop, resize, and grayscale... but not things like "selectively dodge and burn", "adjust the white balance", "skew or rotate to level horizon", or "correct for chromatic and coma aberration in a particular lens." While that is good and useful (and I would be willing to even go so far…

In principle we can do this for all transformations, but performance for arbitrary transformations is still very slow.

Re: AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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Post by joshspankit »

ilyt wrote: post #79
hammyhavoc wrote: post #22

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And I can tell the difference between tube amps, profilers and modellers in both feel and tone, but it's good enough for the average Joe that they won't care if they like the image or sound. It only serves to illustrate the point that trying to evaluate the best x work is futile because tastes vary. Personally, I don't like the image, nor do I like any AI-generated "art" thus far. I'm a big camera wonk and a tone cha…

But this is clearly not! at best it looks like someone modified photo or maybe had some horribly hand-deforming disease.

Yeah agreed.

As much as AI has trouble with hands and we can assume that it’s AI because we know what to look for, those hands are not outside the realm of human deformities and/or photography tricks. Pair that with the absolute PR nightmare possible in calling a real human fake just because they don’t fit the expected norms and it’s totally reasonable for judges to accept it as a real photo.

Re: AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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Post by lm28469 »

hammyhavoc wrote: post #22
Alchemista wrote: post #3

Yeah, I don't get it. It doesn't look very good to me. It is also obviously AI generated, with the telltale signs of deformed limbs and hands.

And I can tell the difference between tube amps, profilers and modellers in both feel and tone, but it's good enough for the average Joe that they won't care if they like the image or sound. It only serves to illustrate the point that trying to evaluate the best x work is futile because tastes vary. Personally, I don't like the image, nor do I like any AI-generated "art" thus far. I'm a big camera wonk and a tone cha…

Ok ... but .. it's not a photography, it shouldn't win a "photography" contest

If you bring a photography to a "realistic painting" contest does it work ? Or an helicopter to a f1 race ?

It's not the same medium, it doesn't matter if it looks good or if people like it

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