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After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by altacc »

Freak_NL wrote: post #58
deserialized wrote: post #13

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If that were true circumcision and forced surgery on intersex kids would be banned too.

Circumcision is one of those things that make me pessimistic about any societal change. It's an unthinkable act in most of the world, and broadly considered medically unnecessary for something like 99.9% of penises. With the exception of some religious nuts, no one does this to their son in countries like mine, but in the US the status quo means that the chance you'll lose your foreskin as a baby is about that of cal…

Yep, cultural inertia is a powerful thing. Very little about human decision making is about facts. People largely come to an emotional decision based on group identity, prior bias, etc... and then do post hoc justification with curated "facts" from sources they approve of.

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Post by beebeepka »

Freak_NL wrote: post #83
beebeepka wrote: post #70

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Maybe this is why I am being downvoted. What should I use instead? I don't exactly follow the waves of nuspeak

Your example hints at a man who dresses like a woman (but usually not transitioning or being uncomfortable with their (day-to-day) manhood), so cross-dresser (or drag queen if it is really over the top , well, drag queenish, which the ballgown sort of implies). 'Tranny' being derogatory isn't really new-speak. The only recent shift I know of is that men who dress up like (feminine) women tend to prefer 'cross-dresser…

Thanks. Have to say cross dresser fits much better given the context. I can no longer edit my post and will have to take the heat instead. Lesson learned.

Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by altacc »

beebeepka wrote: post #32
pigsty wrote: post #24

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Transgender people have existed throughout history and on every corner of the earth. They’re documented in basically any society with written records. But for some reason, in 2023, people (mainly Americans) think it’s something new and they demand to be angry about it.

Just last week, when I was at a techno music gathering, a couple of my friends saw a guy in drag (it was more like over the top ball dress really) and were like "whoaa, did you see that". I had to remind them that we used to have scores of trannies attending these events in the past and and no one cared. But now, after the latest round of propaganda, we, as a society, fear them again.

Alternative cultures have always had alternative niches of events but clubbing in the early days, at least in Europe, was often largely a culture of acceptance. Age, gender, attire, whatever... acceptance was high. As I started to age and dance music became more popular and more commercialised, the number of safe, relaxed and accepting cubs started to shrink as club culture became normal culture. There are still alternative club scenes out there, they are just more protective and secretive to stop the dilution of their culture.

Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by transcoderx »

altacc wrote: post #90
transcoderx wrote: post #69

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No, puberty blockers are not 100% reversible and they are not harmless, either. Surgeries are not rare, either - at least it is debatable what should be considered "rare".

Risks are comparative, moral panic is not and ignores this. Banning something because it is not 100% harmless is just not something that is done without extra considerations, such as a moralizing. E.g. Pain killers cause significantly more societal harm than puberty blockers but are still widely available. As to the real risks, time and again it has been shown that the comparative risks of a) receiving puberty blocke…

No it hasn't been shown time and time again. Look into the actual studies, and not just into the ones the trans lobby presents.

The issue here is manipulation of children. If children were fed tons of harmful pain blockers, there would be a "panic", too.

Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by gattilorenz »

8f2ab37a-ed6c wrote: post #3

A similar travesty of justice happened in Italy in the late 90s with a bunch of parents going to jail, their kids being taken away by the local child protection services, parents committing suicide from the trauma etc. Two decades later, as part of an investigation, the kids (now adults) came out as saying that they were brainwashed, they were pressured into confessions of satanic rituals in the local cemetery, of bl…

I think on Prime Video the video report of the investigation (“Veleno”) has English subtitles as well and closely follows the Audible podcast.

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Post by transcoderx »

vincnetas wrote: post #89
transcoderx wrote: post #69

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No, puberty blockers are not 100% reversible and they are not harmless, either. Surgeries are not rare, either - at least it is debatable what should be considered "rare".

Do you have numbers on surgeries. Im curious how "not rate" are they.

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

anonymouskimmer wrote: post #61
jgaa wrote: post #27

In Norway, this fire was lit by a high ranking police officer in the state criminal police, it's "FBI". Many people was hurt, falsely convicted and many lives was destroyed. In the police, and in the child abuse industry, money was made and careers built on these lies. The police officer who brought this mental pest to Norway was eventually arrested, naked, hiding behind a bush in his neighbors garden - spying on a l…

> I think it was Hermann Hesse who wrote that "If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us." People who have experienced trauma from the actions of people can hate other people who they think are doing the same sort of actions. I guess it could be argued that you hate the response you have to a person's actions, and thus hate that thing tha…

as well as hating the person who caused the trauma; as always reasoning via aphorism and rhetoric has a lot of problems.

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Post by transcoderx »

chownie wrote: post #81
transcoderx wrote: post #50

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Tavistock also were not performing surgeries on children. Trans people often don't even receive hormones until they're 16, I don't know how this idea that they're receiving surgery on a whim makes any sense to anyone.

Bullshit, 16 would be too late for hormone blockers.

The blockers are also said to prevent the kids from adapting to their biological gender, leading onto a path to surgery.

I am amazed how willing to lie people are in this forum.

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