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Please get back to me once you've gotten a multinational corporation to agree to this (or any other candidate-provided clause) for a non-executive employee.
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He was at Yandex.
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#92> I held a “garage sale” (in Russian) and sold most of my belongings. Does this mean the Russian term is garage sale? I’m amused that in the US we use that term too.
No, what I meant was that "garage sale" is actually a hyperlink that leads to a Russian website. Sorry for any confusion caused by my bad wording.
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
It sounds like he may not have actually incurred any non-reimbursable expenses though other than maybe canceling an airline ticket. He's obviously incurred lots of disruption with associated costs (quitting job, getting rid of most of his stuff) but these aren't the sort of things that qualify for relocation expenses.
This is not a fully-complete clause, yes, getting rid of stuff hurts and might not be coverable, but at least in this Case Google would have guaranteed to pay for the relocation. Other clauses could be that in the event of a redundancy before employment start, the signing bonus stays with the employee, etc. In his case, it still covers the financial blow to a degree, and he would have probably enough time to find a r…
Wouldn’t it be simpler to just ask for a signing bonus?
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#95Having an offer rescinded for 'business reasons' is unbelievably annoying, and the author has my sympathy. That said, it's kind of understandable too. Things happen. The landscape changes. Some people will be affected. You kind of have to roll with it sometimes. I wish the author the best of luck finding something else quickly. What I find truly incredible though is that it took a full year to go from application to…
> Having an offer rescinded for 'business reasons' is unbelievably annoying, and the author has my sympathy. That said, it's kind of understandable too. Things happen. It's not understandable, Google is doing financially fine. If they determine they made a mistake they should have to pay a penalty. You would not get that grace in your own personal life, I don't know why we grant it to companies in employment contract…
The candidate can also accept the offer and then take a job somewhere else without penalty, so it is at least symmetric.
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#96Having an offer rescinded for 'business reasons' is unbelievably annoying, and the author has my sympathy. That said, it's kind of understandable too. Things happen. The landscape changes. Some people will be affected. You kind of have to roll with it sometimes. I wish the author the best of luck finding something else quickly. What I find truly incredible though is that it took a full year to go from application to…
Google is a bit notorious for taking extremely long from the candidate's perspective, even among the tech giants.
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#97This is why I suggest not giving two weeks notice when leaving a job for another. Instead send a resignation email the morning you start at the new company. This seems fair and reasonable given that companies are willing to pull offers.
My general advice to new folks entering the workforce for the first time is that they remember "the company" (especially big public cooperations) does not care about them. The company's only real priority is to provide value to its shareholders and the best case scenario for employees is that management sees an alignment between treating employees well and increasing the stock price. As such, the company does not deserve any more from you than you are contractually obligated to provide.
That being said, for many roles a lack of notice for your resignation is going to have the most significant negative impact on your immediate team, manager, and coworkers. HR and the CTO will not care, but the engineers you have been sitting next to for the last few years could be put in a tight spot.
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#98Its kind of impressive that getting hired is now slower than college admissions or getting married.
Google has always been notoriously slow unless you have competing offers, and even then is usually the offer you're waiting on.
I did my entire Stripe interview process in the time it took to go from HC-approved to offer letter at Google, and I was a rehire, and the SVP in question knew me by name (he was my former skip). Stripe launched the product I was applying for before I'd finished my Noogler ramp-up.
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#99> I held a “garage sale” (in Russian) and sold most of my belongings. Does this mean the Russian term is garage sale? I’m amused that in the US we use that term too.
There is nothing surprising.
Russians watch lots of American movies/TV shows.
So many terms are being borrowed. This how the culture spreads.
Even though very few Russians would actually hold a sale in a garage due to the difference in housing between Russia and the US
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#100There’s no great solution to this apart from the economy and company doing well so that this doesnt happen. I’ll lay out the reasons below: 1. Let’s say we pass a law that prevents offers from being revoked. This will make hiring much harder and increase 5 rounds to like 10 and involve many more committees and even then most candidates other than sureshots getting rejected. 2. Ban revoking offers only for overseas em…
Those are extreme solutions. You don't want to make it impossible to revoke offers or to fire people, but companies should be liable for actual costs.
In this case, Google should pay for:
1) The costs of replacing discarded items
2) Move-related costs (e.g. plane tickets, etc.)
3) Some reasonable period of unemployment
Those should not be offloaded onto candidate employees.