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Re: Rust, RR, Neovim: A perfect debug combination

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I started watching [3]. I have no stakes in this, but a lot of stuff I should be enraged about... I'm just not? Doesn't look fundamentally different to Debian or Firefox trademark policies. I guess it is an abrupt change in trademark enforcement for Rust.

The difference is that the R-word foundation goes above and beyond their (reasonable) interests of protecting their brand/identity. This is not about trying to fend off people impersonating as "Official Rust..." or "Rust Foundation ..." but tries to stop you from even having the _word_ "rust" or "cargo" in your domain name. Also there is some ideology-driven nonsense which is impossible to enforce but that does not s…

The domain thing is very, very, very normal.

From Mozilla's trademark policy: If you want to include all or part of a Mozilla trademark in a domain name, you have to receive written permission from Mozilla. People naturally associate domain names with organizations whose names sound similar. Almost any use of a Mozilla trademark in a domain name is likely to confuse consumers, thus running afoul of the overarching requirement that any use of a Mozilla trademark be non-confusing. If you would like to build a Mozilla, Firefox Internet browser or Thunderbird e-mail client promotional site for your region, we encourage you to join an existing official localization project.

From Node Foundation's trademark policy: You need permission to register or use a domain name that contains a Node.js mark in it. Please don’t register a domain that looks or sounds similar to a Node.js or includes a misspelled Node.js mark as that can confuse community users

From Debian's trademark policy: You cannot use Debian trademarks in a domain name, with or without commercial intent.

Re: Rust, RR, Neovim: A perfect debug combination

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Yeah, it's such a weird outrage. I went and compared it to the node foundation one and its very similar. Some of the other issues he has are kind of deranged. I'm glad the Foundation want Rust meetups to be firearm free. Good Lord. Is that really worth getting so upset about? I've got a couple small things I don't like, but once again, it seems to be right in line with other open source trademark policies. I just had…

> I'm glad the Foundation want Rust meetups to be firearm free. Good Lord. Is that really worth getting so upset about? I strongly, STRONGLY, agree with their political stance. However, I find their forcing their politics down people's throats extremely concerning. Keep in mind that you also have to seek approval to use the word Rust (I am not affiliated with the Rust Foundation), which means that they could disallow…

It's a safety and inclusion thing, not politics. There just isn't a place for firearms at a meetup.

Re: Rust, RR, Neovim: A perfect debug combination

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In the original tweet, they say: > we invite you to review (..) and share any feedback (...). Your responses will help us ensure the Rust Trademark Policy is useful for all! I'm bringing attention and visibility to the proposal and hopefully help the foundation receive valuable feedback from more people.

Sure. They provide a form for that, and there are discussion threads in many places. Commenting vitriol on random projects that are, in fact, totally unrelated to the Rust Foundation is not productive.

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Re: Rust, RR, Neovim: A perfect debug combination

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In the original tweet, they say: > we invite you to review (..) and share any feedback (...). Your responses will help us ensure the Rust Trademark Policy is useful for all! I'm bringing attention and visibility to the proposal and hopefully help the foundation receive valuable feedback from more people.

Sure. They provide a form for that, and there are discussion threads in many places. Commenting vitriol on random projects that are, in fact, totally unrelated to the Rust Foundation is not productive.

I'm sorry if you took my comment as vitriol, it's not meant to be that, it was a light-hearted joke.

The proposal was very disappointing to me, and it has been on top of my mind when I browsed HN this morning, so when I saw a cool project that -- if some of the sections of the proposal go through -- would violate Rust's Trademark Policy, I thought it'd be acceptable to bring that up (and still think that).

I believe raising awareness to issues with the proposal is productive, and hopefully at least some people here on HN decided to leave feedback in the Rust Foundation's form, so that as little of the non-sensical paragraphs stay in the final document as possible.

Re: Rust, RR, Neovim: A perfect debug combination

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> I'm glad the Foundation want Rust meetups to be firearm free. Good Lord. Is that really worth getting so upset about? I strongly, STRONGLY, agree with their political stance. However, I find their forcing their politics down people's throats extremely concerning. Keep in mind that you also have to seek approval to use the word Rust (I am not affiliated with the Rust Foundation), which means that they could disallow…

It's a safety and inclusion thing, not politics. There just isn't a place for firearms at a meetup.

> inclusion

So a "Ferris and Firearms" meetup is simply not allowed to occur. That sounds extremely inclusive.

This also implies that organizers would have to go through the effort AND cost (because you are only allowed to collect fees for food and drinks) of doing entry control or a meetup.

Re: Rust, RR, Neovim: A perfect debug combination

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Anyone got other useful tools for debugging within (neo)vim? Just seamlessly putting down breakpoints, stepping through code execution, and getting a fully fledged debugging UI experience (a la Visual Studio or Remedy BG)? This is possibly the only thing I miss from developing on Windows, and it's a shame! EDIT: I specified 'within vim' but actually I'd be down for standalone Linux app recommendations too.

So over the weekend I just went through a vim reworking for myself after discovering astronvim. I replaced my config with that one and installed nvim-dap-python through the user template, was able to attach and debug like I was using pycharm in a few hours of tweaking. I really like it I did have a couple of plugins I cant really live without (ZoomWinTab and A.vim) so Im working on porting them to lua with the help o…

Finding astronvim through this comment and it looks like it may be time to move on from my regular vim to nvim. I like keeping things light so I'll probably just steal some plugins used there but the functionality looks like things I already have except with better UX. Thanks for sharing!

Re: Rust, RR, Neovim: A perfect debug combination

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It's a safety and inclusion thing, not politics. There just isn't a place for firearms at a meetup.

> inclusion So a "Ferris and Firearms" meetup is simply not allowed to occur. That sounds extremely inclusive. This also implies that organizers would have to go through the effort AND cost (because you are only allowed to collect fees for food and drinks) of doing entry control or a meetup.

Yes, but for a different reason. From the document's section on User Groups

>The main focus of the group is discussion of and education about Rust software;

It's a programming language, not a lifestyle brand. Not everything needs to be dragged down into US-centric culture wars. It's good that they don't want to dilute the brand and are keeping it focused on the software. If you want to go to the range with a group there are tons of meetups for that. I don't know why you would want to make one based around a programming language.

Re: Rust, RR, Neovim: A perfect debug combination

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Anyone got other useful tools for debugging within (neo)vim? Just seamlessly putting down breakpoints, stepping through code execution, and getting a fully fledged debugging UI experience (a la Visual Studio or Remedy BG)? This is possibly the only thing I miss from developing on Windows, and it's a shame! EDIT: I specified 'within vim' but actually I'd be down for standalone Linux app recommendations too.

I'm surprised nvim-dap-ui wasn't mentioned yet. It still has less features than vimspector, but personally I prefer the nvim-dap ecosystem. No memory viewer is a bummer though.

https://github.com/rcarriga/nvim-dap-ui

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