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I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by scarface74 »

T-A wrote: post #2

> GPT4 gave the correct answer in 1/10th the time it would take Priya and cost a lot less. [...] Priya has tried to learn coding, but she has struggled. Not that she gets a lot of time to do it either. 1) Show Priya how to use GPT4 to do her current job in 1/10th of the time. 2) Let her use part (50%+) of the time saved to learn coding or whatever other skill she needs (not sure coding is it).

> Show Priya how to use GPT4 to do her current job in 1/10th of the time

And then if they have 10 people doing her job, 9 people are out of a job.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by hparadiz »

I asked GPT4 to write me a simple document. Took like 9 tries and I had to proof read it and make adjustments. And that's with a simple paragraph in a written language. Forget about doing the header and the footer properly.

It's silly that I have to spell it out on HN of all places. Writing code is much more complex. There's a reason we call the job "Software Engineer". GPT doesn't know what it doesn't know.

It doesn't know that the unit tests broke because of the python script written for 3.5 that had an update in a dependency for 3.10 which broke backwards compatibility. Can you get it to fix the GitHub Action? Good luck.

It doesn't know that the local dev environment targets WSL on Windows for the web app and an iPhone in dev mode for the mobile app.

It has no idea where to retrieve the signing certificate, what format to use, or even how to generate a new one.

I can go on and on.

You're really gonna give this "AI" SSH access to your prod server and pray it doesn't rm -rf the entire thing because that line happened to be in a script designed for clearing the working copy during a deploy on a load balanced box that has been deprovisioned from the target group. Really?

If you're worried about GPT taking over your job you just show your own lack of knowledge and experience.

You can create a perfect machine to lay bricks. It could even be better then a human. But you will find that as soon as it encounters a situation it can't predict....the whole thing falls apart.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by kweingar »

avion23 wrote: post #47
csomar wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the author is not proposing to keep worthless jobs but realized that while Priya work is worthless, his very own work is about to become so.

But the title implies that he wishes that gpt4 never existed so those jobs could continue existing like in the past?

A wish is not a proposal

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by [deleted] »

jzb wrote: post #60
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #29

The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .

That would be great. It’s also not going to happen without a massive uprising. The people profiting off automation have zero intent of sharing the wealth and every intent of hoarding it.

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Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by rib3ye »

kaibee wrote: post #3
T-A wrote: post #2

> GPT4 gave the correct answer in 1/10th the time it would take Priya and cost a lot less. [...] Priya has tried to learn coding, but she has struggled. Not that she gets a lot of time to do it either. 1) Show Priya how to use GPT4 to do her current job in 1/10th of the time. 2) Let her use part (50%+) of the time saved to learn coding or whatever other skill she needs (not sure coding is it).

> 1) Show Priya how to use GPT4 to do her current job in 1/10th of the time. Why would I subsidize that as a business owner? I can fire 9/10ths of the people who do that job instead.

So workers are 10x more productive! Are there not enough papers to annotate? The writer still needs a specialist to make sure the LLM is going the right thing.

Aren’t the comparisons to blue collar labor a little much here?

If I hire 10 people to dig the ditches, and then I get a backhoe, yes, one guy is needed to dig the ditch.

But backhoes are expensive investments, LLMs are not.

LLMs gives everyone of those ditch diggers a backhoe. Now I have an army of backhoes! Unless the world runs out of a need for ditches, time to start a ditch digging empire.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by alchemist1e9 »

ChatGTP wrote: post #77
alchemist1e9 wrote: post #44

It looks like those who love LLMs (which I do) are forcing themselves to come up with narratives that mitigate the proposed negative effects. I have a different suggestion. It’s likely it is real and painful and sad. Transitions are hard, disruptive and can often cause very real and negative problems, but they are unavoidable and historically technology brings humanity to a better place in the long run. That reminder…

I keep hearing this but I’ve never heard a coherent plan about how we’d go forwards with AI, like what is the actual strategy and do we actually think this will end. By all accounts it’s probably not going to be ideal?

Perhaps you need to let go of the idea that humanity actually has direct control of how things unfold. Instead focus on your own situation.

The idea there is a possibility of an “actual strategy” is I think the real flaw.

Government can try to regulate products but given the 8 billion people and numerous advanced economies on the planet any locations that attempts to restrict products that use LLMs for proposed harm instead of realized harm will probably put themselves at a disadvantage.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by neerd »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #72
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #29

The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .

> doesn't directly link labour with income Who in their right mind would work if they can get free income, even if small, without having a disability or similar disqualifier? Right now, we are in a worker shortage, and it’s going to get worse as retirements continue. Separating labor from work would cripple living standards and demoralize productive workers.

If this is not decoupled how do you propose people survive when automation makes the vast majority of people permanently unemployable?

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by Gud »

netbioserror wrote: post #86
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #29

The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .

What a profoundly naive opinion. Most people find meaning, fulfillment, even contentment in working, especially when the problems are engaging and the solutions produce value. Many people claim their lives would be better if they never had to work, but they are bullshitting themselves with childhood naivete. Not working is a sucking void of boredom, nihilism, hedonism, and despair. I've been through some of that befo…

You can be working without it being your only source of income. If everybody was given let’s say ten million dollars in capital (and endless social security), those who wanted could work. The rest of us wouldn’t mind letting the machines do the work.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by mjr00 »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #21
kaibee wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 1) Show Priya how to use GPT4 to do her current job in 1/10th of the time. Why would I subsidize that as a business owner? I can fire 9/10ths of the people who do that job instead.

It’s also possible, like a lot of skilled knowledge work, they’re greatly constrained on talent relative to potential work. I think something folks don’t get is that AI is going to allow a lot more of everything to be done, and will still need humans to guide it. I suspect it’ll be a bit like the calculator and it’s acceleration of math fields. Human calculators became less useful, but humans could do much more math…

> It’s also possible, like a lot of skilled knowledge work, they’re greatly constrained on talent relative to potential work.

Yep. If I have 10 people doing Job X, then ChatGPT makes a person doing Job X ten times more productive, I can fire 9 people doing job X and retain the same output, which gives me a temporary profit boost. But wait! My competitor also had 10 people doing Job X, and now they're producing ten times the output of my company!

If ChatGPT/Copilot X made developers working at my company twice as productive, I wouldn't be thinking about firing half of them, I would be thinking about which of the 8000 features and improvements on our backlog we could finally prioritize...

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