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What it’s like to fall into the deadly Australian plant, gympie-gympie

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Re: What it’s like to fall into the deadly Australian plant, gympie-gympie

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Eh I mean the US has its fair share of snakes and spiders, crocs/gators, plus bears, coyotes, and other large animals which Australia doesn't have which are far more scary than any insect IMO. I guess the oceans are worse with sharks and box jellies, and some rivers have bull sharks. But Australia and the US have more in common wrt deadly flora and fauna than most would like to admit.

I guess my point is that, because of the previous land bridge, the rest of the world really evolved together. Australian ecology, from what I understand, really evolved in isolation for quite some time.

Oh 100%... Our shit is weird. See my other comment about the half-duck, half-beaver, knife-weilding platypus if you want "weird".

Re: What it’s like to fall into the deadly Australian plant, gympie-gympie

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There's an urban legend in Australia about a bloke that went camping once, had to take a shit in the bush, and didn't have any dunny-role. Poor guy grabbed a handful of Gympie-gympie that was on the ground next to him and proceeded to wipe his ass with it. Legend says he ended up topping himself a few hours later to escape the pain. Whether it's true or not... Fuck only knows. We do like making shit up... Especially…

dunny-role topping himself The English Language is definitely different around the world.

To be fair, I did try to layer it on a bit for the purpose of that story haha

Re: What it’s like to fall into the deadly Australian plant, gympie-gympie

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And the Combat-Emu https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassowary

never heard it called a combat emu… But also, these guys are like… A+ proof of dinosaur’s evolution into birds… you can pretty much picture Cassowaries in place of the raptors in Jurassic park… Some extra Cassowary info. https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/topics/wildlife/2019... https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/tetrapod-zoology/how-da...

"Combat Emu" is my personal contribution to the Aussie lexicon (at least as far as I'm aware). I figured it's appropriate...

Re: What it’s like to fall into the deadly Australian plant, gympie-gympie

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Stories like this make me wonder why anyone lives in Australia, since virtually everything seems to want to kill you. Or perhaps Aussies are tougher than the rest of us.

To be fair... There are at least... 3... Animals here that aren't explicitly trying to kill us. It's really not that bad. Just don't go into the warm water or the box jellyfish will get you. Keep an eye out for Sting-rays too... Nobody wants to go out like old-mate Steve. Oh and don't go into the cold water either, blue-ringed octopus... Nasty buggers. Rivers too... Not a great idea... Crocks are pretty nippy when th…

Oh one really important one I forgot to mention... The Eagles that LITERALLY RAIN FIRE FROM THE SKY... https://www.nine.com.au/entertainment/viral/australian-birds...

Re: What it’s like to fall into the deadly Australian plant, gympie-gympie

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Recent research (2020) revealed these plants containt a potent protein neurotoxin: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abb8828 > "We show here that the venoms of Australian Dendrocnide species contain heretofore unknown pain-inducing peptides that potently activate mouse sensory neurons and delay inactivation of voltage-gated sodium channels. These neurotoxins localize specifically to the stinging hairs and ar…

I always wonder: how tf did evolution end up designing such a thing?

It coexisted when megafauna were still around so needed a severe effect to deter being eaten. That's the explanation our guide in the Daintree gave.

2 ton marsupials, for example https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_megafauna

Re: What it’s like to fall into the deadly Australian plant, gympie-gympie

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While we do like to play up the fact Australia has a variety of venomous animals, it is true that very few people fall prey to them. Horses and cattle are actually the most dangerous by raw number of deaths caused - more interaction equals more opportunity.

The platypus is one of the most interesting ones, being a mammal that lays eggs. The males have venomous spurs on their hind legs. That said, there are no recorded deaths from a platypus sting.

In 2019, some newly erects signs on a freeway in Melbourne came down in high winds due to some defective bolts. There was even some dramatic dash-cam footage of a car being crushed. Fortunately no one was killed, but it did generate the quip that in Australia, even the road signs are trying to kill you.

https://youtu.be/kdihHnaOQsk

Re: What it’s like to fall into the deadly Australian plant, gympie-gympie

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Ha! I don't want mislead you, in that I'm also a 'local' albeit from several thousand kilometers south of Cape Tribulation (Australia is a very big place). Thus, I'm familiar with much of the flora and fauna that seems to terrify people from other parts of the world (it's just that this was my first visit to these parts). The Emmagen Creek 'local' was someone who I already knew, he used to work for me in electronics…

You don't know what "innate reflexes" are until you encounter one of these bastards, or a Tiger Snake (what we had in Tassie). Something significantly lower down the brain stem kicks in and you react before your conscious brain even realises what's going on. It's actually kinda fascinating to experience because you can tell our fear of snakes isn't something "learned"... It's baked into the hardware by evolution some…

You're right, our fear of snakes is baked in the hardware, I'm certain of that, it's an evolved recognition of danger that likely goes back millions of years. That's why my innate reflexes automatically kicked into action when I stood on the Eastern Brown.

I don't think I've ever moved so fast in my life. I was 14 at the time so I was light, fit and agile. That said, my reaction time would likely have been slower than the snake if it had decided to strike. That was decades ago before decent antivenin and I was a reasonable distance from medical help and also I was by myself (trekking in the Blue Mountains by oneself at any age is stupid thing to do, so I was very lucky).

With my snake encounter at Emmagen Creek things were a little different, I was older about 30 and I'd learned the worst thing to do was to startle the snake so one should keep perfectly still—and I did although it was difficult.

I still wonder about that encounter, the snake definitely† wasn't there when I arrived at the Creek's bank so I was moving about and making noise. Most snakes I've encountered whilst bushwalking I've seen at a distance—2, 3 metres away—and they quickly scurry off but this one came awfully close whilst I was moving around and it showed no sign of aggression or seemingly any concern for my presence.

My grandmother came from outback NSW and was bush and snake wise so I was taught from a very early age to always keep an eye out for them whilst wandering through the bush and I did so at Emmagen Creek as I do when bushwalking anywhere. The fact is the snake arrived after me and I find that strange.

Re: What it’s like to fall into the deadly Australian plant, gympie-gympie

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Uh, where did you get that notion from?

Multiple deaths per year in Australia from honeybee stings. Box jellyfish average less than one per year. Conflicting sources put bees (or bees and wasps together) at just behind, on par with, or ahead of venomous snakes in terms of mean annual deaths in Australia.

When I have an encounter with a potentially deadly animal, I don't care about the absolute number of deaths its species have created. I care about the percentage for 1 encounter.

Re: What it’s like to fall into the deadly Australian plant, gympie-gympie

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You don't know what "innate reflexes" are until you encounter one of these bastards, or a Tiger Snake (what we had in Tassie). Something significantly lower down the brain stem kicks in and you react before your conscious brain even realises what's going on. It's actually kinda fascinating to experience because you can tell our fear of snakes isn't something "learned"... It's baked into the hardware by evolution some…

You're right, our fear of snakes is baked in the hardware, I'm certain of that, it's an evolved recognition of danger that likely goes back millions of years. That's why my innate reflexes automatically kicked into action when I stood on the Eastern Brown. I don't think I've ever moved so fast in my life. I was 14 at the time so I was light, fit and agile. That said, my reaction time would likely have been slower tha…

I remember once as a kid I was in my room playing Xbox... Finished a mission in Halo and got up to walk out of my room only to be greeted by that lovely pitch-black, yet eerily shiney colour of a Tiger Snake just sitting in the doorway looking at me.

I'm confident that, to this day, it's the most terror I've ever felt...

Like you said, I just froze... Slowly walked backwards to give it space... Then it just turned around and fucked off back outside.

Needless to say, I was very careful about keeping all doors to the house closed from that point forward.

Re: What it’s like to fall into the deadly Australian plant, gympie-gympie

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It's often said, but really, the way it's reported in international media is very sensationalist; the things that are deadly are just not common in areas where people live and travel. Yes, sure, we have some deadly snakes, spiders, crocodiles, a few plants like in the OP, etc. But so do many other countries/regions around the world, including the USA. In practice, the vast majority of Australians never have any conta…

It's true that most Aussies live in southern states and have never experienced dangerous animals. However, people living in north QLD, NT and WA are definitely in nature's territory. Crocodiles are now inhabiting almost every waterway, dry conditions make taipan snakes and spiders a real threat, and the rainforest really does has dangerous plants and animals. As an FNQ resident, most locals no longer swim at the beac…

I wasn’t/am not disputing that, just going on the data that indicates that even in those states, fatalities and severe harms are still relatively rare, compared with other causes. But yes, I fully accept that people living in parts of those states/territories (and others too) need to be more careful. I’ve visited FNQ several times and certainly don’t swim in the sea, at least without nets, or full body protection when snorkeling at the Reef.
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