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Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

Dalewyn wrote: post #69
KptMarchewa wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>1650EUR for a laptop that won't have enough ram to run the browser in two years. That did not have enough ram 3 years ago... the fact they are still trying to sell 8GB as an useful amount outside of extremely budget laptops is insane.

Speaking as someone who has and uses an M2 Macbook Air with 8GB RAM, I agree it's not a lot but it's more than sufficient for any use case a Macbook Air would generally see. This literally isn't Windows where 32GB of RAM is the new minimum. I will say the Macbook Pro really should start from 16GB RAM and at least 1TB SSD; it's for professionals, isn't it?

>This literally isn't Windows where 32GB of RAM is the new minimum.

That's BS. I ran Win 11 on a 8GB tablet PC just fine (although I wouldn't recommend it, get 16 instead).

I get it, we all hate windows, but can we please stick to reality and stop spreading FUD on HN?

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by patatero »

Dalewyn wrote: post #69
KptMarchewa wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>1650EUR for a laptop that won't have enough ram to run the browser in two years. That did not have enough ram 3 years ago... the fact they are still trying to sell 8GB as an useful amount outside of extremely budget laptops is insane.

Speaking as someone who has and uses an M2 Macbook Air with 8GB RAM, I agree it's not a lot but it's more than sufficient for any use case a Macbook Air would generally see. This literally isn't Windows where 32GB of RAM is the new minimum. I will say the Macbook Pro really should start from 16GB RAM and at least 1TB SSD; it's for professionals, isn't it?

> This literally isn't Windows where 32GB of RAM is the new minimum.

wut. I have a 16GB Windows machine and it's fine.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by mgraupner »

ricardobayes wrote: post #79
izacus wrote: post #36

I was just buying a laptop for my family and the prices of MacBooks here in Europe are utterly crazy. The crappiest 8GB RAM (?!) 256SSD M2 Air model is 1650EUR. 1650EUR for a laptop that won't have enough ram to run the browser in two years. The 16GB model is rounded 2000EUR, which was before reserved for a high-end gaming laptops. It's bonkers.

Meanwhile a lenovo is 800 EUR for a 11th gen i5, 16GB RAM and a 3050ti. As someone with a value investing mindset, I personally can't find the extra value for double the money in macs.

Apple: 500 nits display, whole working day battery, fans almost never on, much higher resale value. Might be worth it for some people.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by rf15 »

matwood wrote: post #60
rf15 wrote: post #51

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> I doubt this is about price like some people in here are suggesting. Regular consumers do not buy a regular laptop for 2000+ €.

Apple prices have always been high, so regular (by your definition) consumers have never really been Apple customers.

I'd argue some of them have been, those looking for a more user friendly experience or see it as a premium model/status symbol. I write this as someone who bought a new macbook for their partner a month ago, which was a painful experience for someone with average european income.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by lotsofpulp »

florakel wrote: post #78
pigsty wrote: post #30

The dollar is insanely strong right now and global Mac prices raised in accordance with that. In places that don’t use USD, prices shot up by tens of percent overnight while the US prices are the same as ever. Japan, for example, got a price increase of about 40% on all items. Unsurprisingly, sales declined.

The euro has actually recovered about 10% from its low last year. The problem is Apple’s pricing strategy. Very static and never sacrificing not even a little bit of margin.

Apparently has not been a problem for shareholders.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by VLM »

Luxury brands usually do better than people expect during a recession, surprising to see. Apple product prices are far too high for the struggles of the working poor or proletariat to notice. Apple's always been a 1%-er aspirational purchase and that income sector is doing fine.

The problem I've seen WRT apple is techie type people see specs and salivate over the numbers, but the subjective experience of this years products is no different than the old products for the general public. Not even styling for conspicuous consumption sales. My wife's friendd with this anesthesiologist's wife, and her response to the new products fits the above; aside from numbers she doesn't understand or care about, there's nothing exciting about the latest model year, so she's not buying.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by meragrin_ »

mgraupner wrote: post #72
Dalewyn wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speaking as someone who has and uses an M2 Macbook Air with 8GB RAM, I agree it's not a lot but it's more than sufficient for any use case a Macbook Air would generally see. This literally isn't Windows where 32GB of RAM is the new minimum. I will say the Macbook Pro really should start from 16GB RAM and at least 1TB SSD; it's for professionals, isn't it?

The Pro starts with 16 GB of RAM.

The 13 inch starts with 8.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by dandy23 »

gambiting wrote: post #49
samhuk wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember buying a Macbook Pro a long time ago (I want to say around 6 years ago? Back in the dark Ive days...) and I can relatively confidently say that it's always been approximately this bad. Inflation plus mental factors are likely the trick that's playing on some folk's mind. They always charged e.g. 200$ for memory increments and 400$/800$ for storage increments, IIRC.

TBF Dell is equally as bad if not worse. A 128GB ram upgrade on my Precision 7670 has been £1800. It's insane.

For a Dell you can buy that RAM from anywhere.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by justinzollars »

alchemist1e9 wrote: post #74
pigsty wrote: post #30

The dollar is insanely strong right now and global Mac prices raised in accordance with that. In places that don’t use USD, prices shot up by tens of percent overnight while the US prices are the same as ever. Japan, for example, got a price increase of about 40% on all items. Unsurprisingly, sales declined.

> The dollar is insanely strong right now This is a bigger story that isn’t being told properly often. The recent BRICS currency move is about them panicking over increasing dollar global dominance. Checking recently I can’t find any major currency that is up against the dollar over last 10 years. US productivity is running away from the rest of the planet is another variable and with rapid on shoring of numerous ind…

> US economic dominance is about to go into hyperdrive

Our biggest export is dollars. We accept ship loads of consumer goods and in exchange send the ships back empty. What a deal.

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