It’s fun, but it’s not really at all what a BBS was like.
I disagree. I ran and spent a lot of time on BBS, and while not totally accurate in terms of capabilities, it definitely captures the spirit of the BBS scene.
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Why isn’t ShareGPT invested in? It’s a bit ghostly. Like, no commenting, old news, etc. I’ve been looking for something like this for a while. I figure eventually something like this will be bigger than Facebook. (All our AI sharing? That’s a lot of content)
Hey, one of the creators of ShareGPT here! Would love some ideas/feedback on how we can grow/invest into ShareGPT – feel free to share some of your thoughts on our GitHub repo's Discussions tab: https://shareg.pt/github
Sharegpt is great! I have 2 suggestions:
1) Make the sharegpt front page feel a bit more present/engaging, perhaps by having new/hot posts lists right on the front page, with the ability to upvote them. I know you have some post examples on the bottom but they are very old and the comments seem to be broken.
2) What about a share feature that would share a screencast of the ChatGPT session of some kind? That would probably be a ton of work but maybe before the user does the prompt, he clicks a screencast button that the extension would provide, and then at the end he can share either/both of a screencast link or a regular/traditional link.
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#93I'm curious why there's such a desire to nitpick how things like ChatGPT perform on tasks like this. First, modems in 1987 were 300-2400 baud mostly, so there isn't going to be all the color and graphics that people remember from the BBS's in the 90s. Second, the prompt is ripe for some tweaking to get output that's more 'realistic' or tailored to what someone might expect. And lastly, this is just the beginning. Wha…
Absolutely agree that it could have been much more realistic with improved/more creative initial user prompting. Yours looks excellent I’m going to try it..
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#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
> But I can see how someone who wasn’t there might think this is what it was like. ChatGPT pseudo-history. We need to educate our kids with this.
Kids need to be taught how to use ChatGPT because it’s here to stay and they will use it, but it’s also important to demonstrate that ChatGPT is both useful and senile, and so you need to validate its responses with secondary sources.
> ...and so you need to validate its responses with secondary sources.
If you have to do that, what's the point?
And of course, few will actually double-check it. Easy is more important than correct.
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
> But I can see how someone who wasn’t there might think this is what it was like. ChatGPT pseudo-history. We need to educate our kids with this.
Kids need to be taught how to use ChatGPT because it’s here to stay and they will use it, but it’s also important to demonstrate that ChatGPT is both useful and senile, and so you need to validate its responses with secondary sources.
I understand this sentiment now, but I've already made GPT work in ways which boggle the mind, in my own time, and I'm a nobody. So this concern might be rephrased as (something like) "Kids will need to learn how to use GPT to validate secondary sources."
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
Kids need to be taught how to use ChatGPT because it’s here to stay and they will use it, but it’s also important to demonstrate that ChatGPT is both useful and senile, and so you need to validate its responses with secondary sources.
I understand this sentiment now, but I've already made GPT work in ways which boggle the mind, in my own time, and I'm a nobody. So this concern might be rephrased as (something like) "Kids will need to learn how to use GPT to validate secondary sources."
> ...but it’s also important to demonstrate that ChatGPT is both useful and senile, and so you need to validate its responses with secondary sources.
> So this concern might be rephrased as (something like) "Kids will need to learn how to use GPT to validate secondary sources."
That's not a rephrase, it's an inversion. It's like saying kids will need to learn to validate medical advice from their doctor with information from mercola.com and other random alternative-health blogs.
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#97Sidenote, thanks for showing me sharegpt... Often you want to show something and screenshots are such a terrible way to go. I don't understand why OpenAI doesn't have a share icon with a pretty print html link. Hey OpenAI, that'd be a good idea?
OpenAI doesn't like when people contribute their data for open datasets. Sharing might lead to having all shared links crawled and saved for open source models. Check out shareGPT (118,139 conversations shared) it's what Google used to tune Brad. How desperate can they be to act like LLaMA hackers. In the meantime projects like OpenAssistant do the RLHF tagging the hard way, slowly but surely. https://open-assistant.…
> Sharing might lead to having all shared links crawled and saved for open source models.
so I can upload a load of crap here and it'll end up quite highly weighted in google's models?
sounds great!
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
I understand this sentiment now, but I've already made GPT work in ways which boggle the mind, in my own time, and I'm a nobody. So this concern might be rephrased as (something like) "Kids will need to learn how to use GPT to validate secondary sources."
> ...but it’s also important to demonstrate that ChatGPT is both useful and senile, and so you need to validate its responses with secondary sources. > So this concern might be rephrased as (something like) "Kids will need to learn how to use GPT to validate secondary sources." That's not a rephrase, it's an inversion. It's like saying kids will need to learn to validate medical advice from their doctor with informat…
LLM's and prompt interfaces aren't a source of truth in the first place. They could be used to compare sources, though.
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Uh, you could email many more people on compuserve and Fidonet then than were on the Internet at all. BBSes had that kind of email long before there was any move towards the Internet.
What's uh? Compuserve had email, but it was not Internet connected nor SMTP, where did I say or imply otherwise. And a BBS in the 1980s wouldn't ask you for your "email" address.
Yes, they would and it was called email regardless of whether it was SMTP.
You could enter your FIDONET address or some other similar thing when you created an account to link them.
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BBSs were at their peak user numbers in the early-to-mid 1990s. It was only after 1995 or so with the web starting to develop and, subsequently, dial-up ISPs exploding that BBSs went in to that rapid decline.
Some of the bigger BBSs that offered subscriptions became dial-up ISPs. That really only lasted until broadband became popular of course. I don't remember when the local scene we had on the BBS faded out. Presumably sometime in that second half of the nineties timeframe.
The "writing was on the wall" by 1994 in my area. A number of BBSes had already converted to dialup ISPs - so by 1994 a major influx of users were those really not interested in the scene at all. By 1995 things were precipitously in decline - there were just way too many cheap and easy ways to get Internet access and that's where everyone was going. Some of my favorite BBSes were still around even in 1999 - but it was pretty much dead at that point.
The BBS Documentary has a nice segment on this - especially poignant if you lived through it.